[comp.windows.ms] Faster display under Windows ?

blom@cc.helsinki.fi (04/05/91)

Does graphics co-processor speed up Windows applications?

I am trying to find out ways to improve the screen drawing speed
of CorelDraw. Tests with 386 and 486 systems have shown that a
more efficient processor or increased amount of RAM have only a
marginal effect.

Now I am considering video boards with a graphics co-processor 
like the NEC Graphics Engine. Tests (e.g. PC Magazine 4/91) 
indicate that they would have a significant effect on drawing 
speed with MS-Windows. This doesn't necessarily apply to application 
programs like CorelDraw. Therefore I would be grateful to hear 
experiences about high-end graphics boards and Windows application 
programs.

Tom Blom
Univ. of Helsinki, Finland

gpsteffl@sunee.waterloo.edu (Glenn Steffler) (04/06/91)

In article <1991Apr4.170207.5822@cc.helsinki.fi> blom@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>Does graphics co-processor speed up Windows applications?

Quick answer: NO

Long drawn out solution:

Wait until a fast EISA or MCA adapter implements many of the Windows 
calls on board.  The current crop of 34010 co-proc'd boards suck 
largely.  They don't implement lines, stretchblits, brushes or any
of the other Windows primatives on board.  They only implement
stuff like simple blits.

The drivers for these boards are slower than the V7vram board we
have at work...(and the ATI Wonder is almost as fast).

I have yet to see the XGA adapter (as we have no MCA machines), but
from what I have heard it is plenty fast on bitblts.  I doubt they
buffer line calls or implement internal stretchblits.  Still don't
have an idea how much faster in 256 colour mode it is than a standard
640x480 VGA adapter.

>I am trying to find out ways to improve the screen drawing speed
>of CorelDraw. Tests with 386 and 486 systems have shown that a
>more efficient processor or increased amount of RAM have only a
>marginal effect.

Try a large cache (256->512k) with fast < 20ns access time.  Since most
of the operations would be in cached memory you get big time speed
improvements.  I have two 386/25's : one has 256k of nasty 20ns cache,
the other has 64k of 35ns cache.  The former machine rates the same
approximately on Norton SI 4.5, but is more than twice as fast on
graphics calls and the like. (same video/etc)

>Now I am considering video boards with a graphics co-processor 
>like the NEC Graphics Engine. Tests (e.g. PC Magazine 4/91) 
>indicate that they would have a significant effect on drawing 
>speed with MS-Windows. This doesn't necessarily apply to application 
>programs like CorelDraw. Therefore I would be grateful to hear 
>experiences about high-end graphics boards and Windows application 
>programs.

I have seen this board, and was seriously unimpressed by the Windows
video driver.  The DOS demo was ungodly fast (almost as good as a
silicon graphics work station demo I saw last year).

>Tom Blom
>Univ. of Helsinki, Finland

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flusekw@ucs.indiana.edu (WILLIAM FRANKLIN FLUSEK) (04/10/91)

>In article <1991Apr4.170207.5822@cc.helsinki.fi> blom@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>>Does graphics co-processor speed up Windows applications?

>Quick answer: NO

>Long drawn out solution:
(Stuff deleted ...)

>I have yet to see the XGA adapter (as we have no MCA machines), but
>from what I have heard it is plenty fast on bitblts.  I doubt they
>buffer line calls or implement internal stretchblits.  Still don't
>have an idea how much faster in 256 colour mode it is than a standard
>640x480 VGA adapter.

I have seen it run and it looks to me to be faster, but I haven't had the 
time or inclination to do some actual testing.  I do like the 640x480 64K 
color mode quite a bit.  (1024x768 256 color is not much better, but is 
faster than my 8514/A board).  

(Stuff Deleted)

>>Now I am considering video boards with a graphics co-processor 
>>like the NEC Graphics Engine. Tests (e.g. PC Magazine 4/91) 
>>indicate that they would have a significant effect on drawing 
>>speed with MS-Windows. This doesn't necessarily apply to application 
>>programs like CorelDraw. Therefore I would be grateful to hear 
>>experiences about high-end graphics boards and Windows application 
>>programs.

I think there is some interesting information about the ATI 8514/Ultra 
board in the 4/16/91 PC Magazine (page 43).  They show it to be much faster 
than the NEC MultiSync Graphics Engine on some Windows operations and 
slightly faster on others without the Crystal Fonts.  With these fonts, it 
is still faster in some things.  I am hoping to get one of these in the 
next month or so (when I can afford one and a 1024x768 non-interlaced 
monitor.).  But between the speed, the non-interlaced image, Bitstream font 
support and MCA availability, it is definitely on the horizon.  (This board 
has both connectors on it, MCA and ISA 16-bit.)


>>Tom Blom
>>Univ. of Helsinki, Finland

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rob@pcad.UUCP (Ralph Brown) (04/17/91)

I saw an Ultra 8514 at a show running the BYTE benchmarks next to an
IBM 8514A. The ATI was visibly much faster at graphics, for the price it
seems very interesting.