ayman@eecs.umich.edu (03/15/91)
It would have been nice if the emacs window had a fixed size (80x24 is the standard for terminals and for the X Windows version.) Is it possible to make the size fixed (80x24) at startup? - Ayman I. Kayssi (ayman@eecs.umich.edu) - Advanced Computer Architecture Lab. - EECS Dept., Univ. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
rspangle@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Froot Loop) (03/15/91)
I agree that perhaps MicroEmacs should have a specifiable size on
startup, but perhaps the exact dimensions could be set via an options dialog
box.
I'd also like to see a choice for font, perhaps something smaller like
the two that WinQVT uses for its normal and condensed fonts (or at worst,
8-point Courier). This way I could get more lines of text on screen at
once, or use less real estate.
In any case, I find MicroEmacs for Windows very useful. Keep up the
good work.
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In article <11227@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> rspangle@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Froot Loop) writes: > > I agree that perhaps MicroEmacs should have a specifiable size on >startup, but perhaps the exact dimensions could be set via an options dialog >box. > > I'd also like to see a choice for font, perhaps something smaller like >the two that WinQVT uses for its normal and condensed fonts (or at worst, >8-point Courier). This way I could get more lines of text on screen at >once, or use less real estate. > > In any case, I find MicroEmacs for Windows very useful. Keep up the >good work. > I too am very impressed. It even handles large files. (Tried a 250Kb one.) Keep on top of it! Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254
scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) (03/16/91)
In article <1991Mar15.220555.29028@sj.ate.slb.com> poffen@SunOS (Russ Poffenberger) writes: >In article <11227@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> rspangle@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Froot Loop) writes: >> I agree that perhaps MicroEmacs should have a specifiable size on >>startup, but perhaps the exact dimensions could be set via an options dialog >>box. >> I'd also like to see a choice for font, perhaps something smaller like >>the two that WinQVT uses for its normal and condensed fonts (or at worst, >>8-point Courier). This way I could get more lines of text on screen at >>once, or use less real estate. > >I too am very impressed. It even handles large files. (Tried a 250Kb one.) Some way of setting fonts and window size would be nice. What would be nicer would some proper documentation for the Windows version, and the source code. It ain't shareware, so where's the source? And a prettier icon would be nice too :-) BTW. I think ordinary DOS uEMACS can just about handle 250k files on a 640k PC. I'll be impressed if Windows uEMACS can handle *really* big files. _____________________________________________________________________________ | Scott Telford, Dept of Computer Science, scott@cs.hw.ac.uk | | Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh, UK. scott%hwcs@ukc.uucp | |_____ "Expect the unexpected." (The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy) ______|
cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI) (03/18/91)
From article <2539@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk>, by scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford): > In article <1991Mar15.220555.29028@sj.ate.slb.com> poffen@SunOS (Russ Poffenberger) writes: > > Some way of setting fonts and window size would be nice. What would be > nicer would some proper documentation for the Windows version, and the > source code. It ain't shareware, so where's the source? It ain't public domain either. Its copyright'ed. Check the About box, then the author of the port (he lists stuff in the about box) for source. > > And a prettier icon would be nice too :-) > Make your own. |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Tom Hite | The views expressed by me | |Manager, Product development | are mine, not necessarily | |CADSI (Computer Aided Design Software Inc. | the views of CADSI. | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) (03/19/91)
In article <1991Mar18.025027.20867@ccad.uiowa.edu> cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI) writes: >From article <2539@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk>, by scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford): >> Some way of setting fonts and window size would be nice. What would be >> nicer would some proper documentation for the Windows version, and the >> source code. It ain't shareware, so where's the source? > >It ain't public domain either. Its copyright'ed. >Check the About box, then the author of the port (he lists stuff in >the about box) for source. Copyright doesn't mean you can't distribute the source. All previous versions of MicroEMACS have been copyrighted *and* had the source available (and have usually been distributed as source-only). The "About..." box just gives the uEMACS for Windows author's name (can't remember it right now, but it sounded French) but doesn't say anything about how to get the source for the Windows version. >> And a prettier icon would be nice too :-) >> > >Make your own. I *have* got my own (for Program Manager) ;-) But if I remember correctly, you can't change the desktop (Minimized) icon to anything other than the built-in one (for a Windows app) or the DOS-box icon (for a DOS app). _____________________________________________________________________________ | Scott Telford, Dept of Computer Science, scott@cs.hw.ac.uk | | Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh, UK. scott%hwcs@ukc.uucp | |_____ "Expect the unexpected." (The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy) ______|
bg11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian E. Gallew) (03/19/91)
What about having the CMODE work as in Unix (i.e. hitting the tab key
while on a line automatically moves the entire line to it's correct
place)?
-Brian
You drop the bomb -more-
It goes off... -more-
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------m1phm02@fed.frb.gov (Patrick H. McAllister) (03/20/91)
In article <2539@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) writes: In article <1991Mar15.220555.29028@sj.ate.slb.com> poffen@SunOS (Russ Poffenberger) writes: >In article <11227@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> rspangle@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Froot Loop) writes: >> I agree that perhaps MicroEmacs should have a specifiable size on >>startup, but perhaps the exact dimensions could be set via an options dialog >>box. >> I'd also like to see a choice for font, perhaps something smaller like >>the two that WinQVT uses for its normal and condensed fonts (or at worst, >>8-point Courier). This way I could get more lines of text on screen at >>once, or use less real estate. > >I too am very impressed. It even handles large files. (Tried a 250Kb one.) Some way of setting fonts and window size would be nice. What would be nicer would some proper documentation for the Windows version, and the source code. It ain't shareware, so where's the source? Try using Aporia as your shell. It lets you set startup window size for any application. I agree with you about the need for documentation. What I miss most, however, is subprocess execution. One of the best features of GNU emacs on my Sun is the way it handles compilers, etc.; it is particularly nice to be able to define an emacs command to, say, run the current buffer through TeX and look at the messages. I was hoping for some of this functionality in uEmacs under Windows -- it is described in the documentation for plain uEmacs, but seems to be missing from the Win3 version. Am I missing something somewhere? Pat
barryf@aix01.aix.rpi.edu (Barry B. Floyd) (03/20/91)
Is MicroEmacs "programmable" in the sense emacs can act as a message handler, etc.? -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Barry B. Floyd \\\ barry_floyd@mts.rpi.edu | | Manager Information Systems - HR \\\ usere9w9@rpitsmts | +-Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute--------------------troy, ny 12180-+
todd@fornax.UUCP (Todd Southen) (03/20/91)
I am interested in getting micro emacs for Windows. Does anyone know where I can get it? An ftp site would be preferred, or it could be e-mailed to me. Thanks, Todd.
viswswrn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (V. Visweswaran) (03/21/91)
>> I am interested in getting micro emacs for Windows. Does anyone know where >> I can get it? An ftp site would be preferred, or it could be e-mailed to me. The source/binaries for MicroEmacs is available thru anonymous FTP from cica.cica.indiana.edu. It is in the directory pub/pc/win3/uploads and is called mewin_ok.zip.
yow@riddler.Berkeley.EDU (Billy Yow 283-4009) (03/21/91)
>BTW. I think ordinary DOS uEMACS can just about handle 250k files on a 640k >PC. I'll be impressed if Windows uEMACS can handle *really* big files. Last Night (3/19/91) I loaded a 671K file and a 545K file in the uEmacs for Windows program without any problem. I don't know what the max file size is but over a meg seem quite possible. I have 8 meg on my system. Please post the source! Bill Yow yow@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
cms2839@isc.rit.edu (a.stranger) (03/21/91)
In article <2571@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) writes: >In article <1991Mar18.025027.20867@ccad.uiowa.edu> cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu >(CADSI) writes: >>> And a prettier icon would be nice too :-) >> >>Make your own. > >I *have* got my own (for Program Manager) ;-) But if I remember correctly, >you can't change the desktop (Minimized) icon to anything other than the >built-in one (for a Windows app) or the DOS-box icon (for a DOS app). you can if you have ( or have access to ) the Whitewater Resource Toolkit . don't think you can do anything about the DOS-box icon in cases of specific programs , though , but you should be able to change it globally ( haven't tried it ... ) . you can definately change the icon in a windows program . -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ "Imagination keeps the shadows away - Xymox @ @~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@ @ a.stranger - CMS2839@ritvax.isc.rit.edu @
cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI) (03/21/91)
From article <2571@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk>, by scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford): > In article <1991Mar18.025027.20867@ccad.uiowa.edu> cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu > (CADSI) writes: > > Copyright doesn't mean you can't distribute the source. All previous > versions of MicroEMACS have been copyrighted *and* had the source > available (and have usually been distributed as source-only). The > "About..." box just gives the uEMACS for Windows author's name (can't > remember it right now, but it sounded French) but doesn't say anything > about how to get the source for the Windows version. > Bzzzzt.. Copyrights can take many forms. Some require that source code NOT be distributed freely, some allow it. In general, unless stated otherwise in the copyright, you are required to contact author (copyright holder) before doing anything with source. I say contact the author because he doesn't have to redistribute his code at all. The original uEmacs author specifies that you can have HIS source code. That says absolutely nothing about additions. If its just source to uEmacs, without the Windows source, there are a couple sites. Mail me if you want those. > I *have* got my own (for Program Manager) ;-) But if I remember correctly, > you can't change the desktop (Minimized) icon to anything other than the > built-in one (for a Windows app) or the DOS-box icon (for a DOS app). Nope. In order to get Windows to use your icon instead of the application's, just change the icon in the File/Properties dialog box of the Program Manager. BTW, you can get lots of icons from ftp sites and bulletin boards, in addition to making your own with publicly available utilities. |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Tom Hite | The views expressed by me | |Manager, Product development | are mine, not necessarily | |CADSI (Computer Aided Design Software Inc. | the views of CADSI. | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
yaturner@normajean.sun.com (D'arc Angel) (03/21/91)
Dan Lawrence (the author of uEmacs) and I are currently working on a port of uEmacs to Windows. Any comments/suggestions etc. for new features would be appreciated. Currently I am intending to use Epoch as a model for the port. -- Mencsh tract und Gott lacht yaturner@corp.Sun.COM
suhonen@kunto.jyu.fi (Timo Suhonen) (03/21/91)
yow@riddler.Berkeley.EDU (Billy Yow 283-4009) writes:
Last Night (3/19/91) I loaded a 671K file and a 545K file in the uEmacs
for Windows program without any problem. I don't know what the max file
size is but over a meg seem quite possible. I have 8 meg on my system.
Everyone is talking about uemacs for Windows.. Where could I find one??
Please mail me because I'll be out from net next two weeks and a posted
article won't be waiting me any more...
Thnx,
--
Timo Suhonen I am logged in, therefore I am suhonen@nic.funet.fi
suhonen@kunto.jyu.fi
Opinions(?) are mine (if not stolen), NOT those of Univ. of Jyvaskyla.cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI) (03/22/91)
From article <1991Mar20.211005.9480@isc.rit.edu>, by cms2839@isc.rit.edu (a.stranger): > In article <2571@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) writes: > > you can if you have ( or have access to > ) the Whitewater Resource Toolkit . don't think you can do anything > about the DOS-box icon in cases of specific programs , though , but you > should be able to change it globally ( haven't tried it ... ) . you can > definately change the icon in a windows program . Nope. You can have ANY icon displayed for ANY file. For instance, My resume is written in Windows Write. I just create a Program Item and specify REsume.wri as the file, and use write.exe as the icon file. This is what Icons are for. For DOS programs, the some holds true. Just change the icon in the File/Properties dialog. If you wanna use an icon from another program, just specify that program's .exe file in the icon file name part. |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Tom Hite | The views expressed by me | |Manager, Product development | are mine, not necessarily | |CADSI (Computer Aided Design Software Inc. | the views of CADSI. | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
mcl9337@aim1.tamu.edu (MARK CHRISTOPHER LOWE) (03/22/91)
So... where exactly IS uEmacs? All I've heard is "on wuarchive" or "on Simtel." Please give us a break! There are a LOT of directories on those systems. Mark C. "Bro!" Lowe - KB5III
cms2839@isc.rit.edu (a.stranger) (03/22/91)
In article <1991Mar21.195416.12344@ccad.uiowa.edu> cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI) writes: >From article <1991Mar20.211005.9480@isc.rit.edu>, by cms2839@isc.rit.edu (a.stranger): >> you can if you have ( or have access to >> ) the Whitewater Resource Toolkit . don't think you can do anything >> about the DOS-box icon in cases of specific programs , though , but you >> should be able to change it globally ( haven't tried it ... ) . you can >> definately change the icon in a windows program . > >Nope. You can have ANY icon displayed for ANY file. For instance, >My resume is written in Windows Write. I just create a Program Item >and specify REsume.wri as the file, and use write.exe as the icon file. >This is what Icons are for. For DOS programs, the some holds true. Just >change the icon in the File/Properties dialog. If you wanna use an >icon from another program, just specify that program's .exe file in the >icon file name part. the question , however , was about changing the icon displayed when a program is minimized , which File->Properties will NOT do , and the Whitewater Resource Toolkit will . -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ "Imagination keeps the shadows away - Xymox @ @~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@ @ a.stranger - CMS2839@ritvax.isc.rit.edu @
klotz@cbnewsd.att.com (david.a.klotzbach) (03/23/91)
From article <1991Mar21.195416.12344@ccad.uiowa.edu>, by cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI): > From article <1991Mar20.211005.9480@isc.rit.edu>, by cms2839@isc.rit.edu (a.stranger): >> In article <2571@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) writes: >> >> about the DOS-box icon in cases of specific programs , though , but you > > Nope. You can have ANY icon displayed for ANY file. For instance, > ... > change the icon in the File/Properties dialog. If you wanna use an > icon from another program, just specify that program's .exe file in the > icon file name part. > But the problem remains that the `iconized' icon for none windows programs still remains the obnoxious `DOS' icon. This can not be fixed by the properties command. The only Icon that the properties command affects is the one shown in the group. If you have enough memory that you have several programs `iconized' it would be nice if the icons would be different. Of course this only applies to DOS commands and not to Windows commands.
poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) (03/23/91)
In article <1991Mar20.231011.32273@ccad.uiowa.edu> cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI) writes: >From article <2571@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk>, by scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford): >> In article <1991Mar18.025027.20867@ccad.uiowa.edu> cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu >> (CADSI) writes: >> >> Copyright doesn't mean you can't distribute the source. All previous >> versions of MicroEMACS have been copyrighted *and* had the source >> available (and have usually been distributed as source-only). The >> "About..." box just gives the uEMACS for Windows author's name (can't >> remember it right now, but it sounded French) but doesn't say anything >> about how to get the source for the Windows version. >> > >Bzzzzt.. Copyrights can take many forms. Some require that source >code NOT be distributed freely, some allow it. In general, unless >stated otherwise in the copyright, you are required to contact author >(copyright holder) before doing anything with source. >I say contact the author >because he doesn't have to redistribute his code at all. The original >uEmacs author specifies that you can have HIS source code. That says >absolutely nothing about additions. If its just source to uEmacs, >without the Windows source, there are a couple sites. Mail me if you want >those. > >> I *have* got my own (for Program Manager) ;-) But if I remember correctly, >> you can't change the desktop (Minimized) icon to anything other than the >> built-in one (for a Windows app) or the DOS-box icon (for a DOS app). > >Nope. In order to get Windows to use your icon instead of the >application's, just change the icon in the File/Properties dialog box >of the Program Manager. >BTW, you can get lots of icons from ftp sites and bulletin boards, >in addition to making your own with publicly available utilities. > To coin a phrase.. Bzzzzt. Nope. I don't know how many times this has come up, but so many times people reply with this answer, and it just IS NOT true. I challenge you to explain to me step by step how this is performed. What you describe will ONLY change the icon as it appears in the MDI of program manager. Once you actually launch (run) the program, then minimize it, it ONLY displays the icon that was bound to the .EXE file by the resource compiler. In fact, the application must register the icon before it will display, and the application itself may even draw its own icon. The clock program supplied by uSoft is an example of a program that dynamically draws its own icon. This is why a DOS application can only get that ugly DOS icon. There is no way to bind an icon to the DOS application like the resource compiler (comes with SDK) can to a TRUE windows application. Windows supplies the DOS icon internally and you can't change it. For a windows app, if you had the .RC or .RES file, and all the other resources needed by the app, you could possibly use the resource compiler (RC from SDK or BC++) to change the icon. Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254
poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) (03/23/91)
In article <1991Mar21.195416.12344@ccad.uiowa.edu> cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI) writes: >From article <1991Mar20.211005.9480@isc.rit.edu>, by cms2839@isc.rit.edu (a.stranger): >> In article <2571@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) writes: >> >> you can if you have ( or have access to >> ) the Whitewater Resource Toolkit . don't think you can do anything >> about the DOS-box icon in cases of specific programs , though , but you >> should be able to change it globally ( haven't tried it ... ) . you can >> definately change the icon in a windows program . > >Nope. You can have ANY icon displayed for ANY file. For instance, >My resume is written in Windows Write. I just create a Program Item >and specify REsume.wri as the file, and use write.exe as the icon file. >This is what Icons are for. For DOS programs, the some holds true. Just >change the icon in the File/Properties dialog. If you wanna use an >icon from another program, just specify that program's .exe file in the >icon file name part. > > >|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| >|Tom Hite | The views expressed by me | >|Manager, Product development | are mine, not necessarily | >|CADSI (Computer Aided Design Software Inc. | the views of CADSI. | >|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
bcw@rti.rti.org (Bruce Wright) (03/23/91)
In article <1991Mar22.183539.26218@sj.ate.slb.com>, poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) writes: > [...] What you > describe will ONLY change the icon as it appears in the MDI of program > manager. Once you actually launch (run) the program, then minimize it, it ONLY > displays the icon that was bound to the .EXE file by the resource compiler. In > fact, the application must register the icon before it will display, and > the application itself may even draw its own icon. The clock program supplied > by uSoft is an example of a program that dynamically draws its own icon. > > This is why a DOS application can only get that ugly DOS icon. There is no way > to bind an icon to the DOS application like the resource compiler (comes with > SDK) can to a TRUE windows application. Windows supplies the DOS icon > internally and you can't change it. It wouldn't have been all that hard for Microsoft to have the DOS box accept an icon that it would supply in place of the DOS icon when the window was minimized. As Russ notes, it isn't difficult for an application to use any of several icons - or even to generate icons on the fly - so this really shouldn't cause any serious technical problems. I suspect that the reason that they didn't was either a) not enough time to implement it along with everything else that was going into Windows or b) they didn't think of it in time for it to make it into the new version of Windows. Even though Windows has been able to run DOS apps for a long time, the earlier versions of Windows would run only a few _very_ well-behaved and _very_ small apps (read: not very much commercial software) so it's probably been only with Windows 3.0 that very many people have tried to run multiple DOS programs at the same time. BUT!! This would require a code change in the DOS box code inside Windows, to load and remember the appropriate icon for the DOS app, and to display it rather than the DOS icon. Without that change, the DOS box just displays its class icon (the infamous DOS icon) whenever it's minimized. I'm quite aware that there would be some issues about how you specify an icon for a DOS program and so forth (most likely through some mechanism in PIFEDIT), but these are really relatively minor problems compared to all the other things Windows does. There's no way for ordinary users to do this type of thing - it's a programming issue that would be best addressed in the basic code for Windows: grafting it on after the fact would be less convenient for the user and harder to program than doing it right in the basic OS. In other words, this is a job for Microsoft. Microsoft, are you listening??? Bruce C. Wright
cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI) (03/23/91)
From article <1991Mar22.164711.21207@cbnewsd.att.com>, by klotz@cbnewsd.att.com (david.a.klotzbach): > From article <1991Mar21.195416.12344@ccad.uiowa.edu>, by cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI): > > But the problem remains that the `iconized' icon for none windows programs > still remains the obnoxious `DOS' icon. This can not be fixed by > the properties command. The only Icon that the properties command > affects is the one shown in the group. > > If you have enough memory that you have several programs `iconized' it > would be nice if the icons would be different. Of course this only > applies to DOS commands and not to Windows commands. Yup. Nice call Tom. I think I'll try to steal (via a Hook procedure somehow) the drawing of DOS tasks to allow something like what you want. Gotta be possible! |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Tom Hite | The views expressed by me | |Manager, Product development | are mine, not necessarily | |CADSI (Computer Aided Design Software Inc. | the views of CADSI. | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford) (03/24/91)
In article <1991Mar20.231011.32273@ccad.uiowa.edu> cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI) writes: >Bzzzzt.. Copyrights can take many forms. Some require that source >code NOT be distributed freely, some allow it. In general, unless >stated otherwise in the copyright, you are required to contact author >(copyright holder) before doing anything with source. >I say contact the author >because he doesn't have to redistribute his code at all. The original >uEmacs author specifies that you can have HIS source code. That says >absolutely nothing about additions. If its just source to uEmacs, >without the Windows source, there are a couple sites. Mail me if you want >those. Aha...but if Dave or Dan had done the right thing and *copylefted* the uEMACS source then any author of a derivative would *have* to make the source available and everybody would be able to hack uEMACS for Windows as much as they liked, and the world would be a good and happy place... Maybe copyleft didn't exist in 1985 though.... Anyway, why would anyone want to withhold the source of a derivative of something that already has the source available? Maybe they don't want the world to see how quick & dirty their hacks are... :^) _____________________________________________________________________________ | Scott Telford, Dept of Computer Science, scott@cs.hw.ac.uk | | Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh, UK. scott%hwcs@ukc.uucp | |_____ "Expect the unexpected." (The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy) ______|
cadsi@ccad.uiowa.edu (CADSI) (03/26/91)
From article <2611@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk>, by scott@cs.hw.ac.uk (Scott Telford): > > Anyway, why would anyone want to withhold the source of a derivative of > something that already has the source available? Maybe they don't want > the world to see how quick & dirty their hacks are... :^) I am not really saying that this guy doesn't want to distribute his source. I just don't have it myself. The actual problem I have with source requests in general is that they are not usually source requests, more like demands. Source is a funny thing. I usually distribute mine, but others don't. I just wanted to reiterate to those who forget that copyrights are not public domains. No real big deal. I probably didn't need to reiterate anyway. I must've been in a bad mood or something stupid. |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Tom Hite | The views expressed by me | |Manager, Product development | are mine, not necessarily | |CADSI (Computer Aided Design Software Inc. | the views of CADSI. | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
kessler@hacketorium.Eng.Sun.COM (Tom Kessler) (04/25/91)
I recall seeing a description of micro emacs for windows here a while ago. Anyone know where I can such a beast via ftp?
mar@mips.com (Derrick Mar) (04/25/91)
In article <KESSLER.91Apr24153341@hacketorium.Eng.Sun.COM>, kessler@hacketorium.Eng.Sun.COM (Tom Kessler) writes: |> |> I recall seeing a description of micro emacs for windows here a while ago. |> Anyone know where I can such a beast via ftp? |> |> There is a copy of it on cica.cica.indiana.edu (129.79.20.22) under /pub/pc/win3/util: mewin.zip MicroEmacs for Windows mewindoc.zip MicroEmacs Documentation -- *************************************************************************** Derrick Mar mar@mips.com or {ames,decwrl,pyramid,prls}!mips!mar Mips Computer Systems (408) 524-8078 928 Arques Avenue, M/S 1-03 Sunnyvale, CA 94088-3650 ***************************************************************************
cballen@hubcap.clemson.edu (charles allen) (04/26/91)
From article <KESSLER.91Apr24153341@hacketorium.Eng.Sun.COM>, by kessler@hacketorium.Eng.Sun.COM (Tom Kessler): > > I recall seeing a description of micro emacs for windows here a while ago. > Anyone know where I can such a beast via ftp? > > Please forgive my ignorance, but what the heck are micro emacs, and what do they do? As for their location, their site is: cica.cica.indiana.edu their directory is: /pub/pc/win3/util and their files are: mewin.zip and: mewindoc.zip There are probably others, since it appears to be a popular product. - Charles A.
rfl@po.CWRU.Edu (Ronald F. Lamb) (04/26/91)
In a previous article, cballen@hubcap.clemson.edu (charles allen) says: >From article <KESSLER.91Apr24153341@hacketorium.Eng.Sun.COM>, by kessler@hacketorium.Eng.Sun.COM (Tom Kessler): >Please forgive my ignorance, but what the heck are micro emacs, and what do >they do? Micro emacs is a version of emacs that runs on microcomputers. Emacs is a text editor, specifically one made for programming, that runs on UNIX machines, I don't know the capabilities on DOS but on unix it allows the user to run programs within it. -- -----rfl----------------------------------------- Ronald F. Lamb | Email Address: | lamb@scl.cwru.edu | lamb@alpha.cwru.edu