[comp.windows.ms] HYDK and WIN

klliou@milton.u.washington.edu (Kan-Lee Liou) (05/31/91)

Is there anybody using Windows 3.0 and HyperDisk?
Is HyperDisk really better than SmartDrive?

gg2@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Guy Gallo) (05/31/91)

In article <1991May31.060613.22766@milton.u.washington.edu> klliou@milton.u.washington.edu (Kan-Lee Liou) writes:
>Is there anybody using Windows 3.0 and HyperDisk?
>Is HyperDisk really better than SmartDrive?

Whenever I test HyperDisk the system seems to get less stable.   
A man on CIS did extensive testing of the two, and his conclusion 
was that when configured similarly there is no difference.   
And that 1500Kb is the optimum size.  
 
By configured similarly he means that you do *NOT* have writes  
cached in Hyper-Disk (since SmartDRV can't cache writes). 
The speed increase in HyperDISK is almost entirely due to  
caching writes.  
Personally, in a system as prone to many hangs as Windows, I
feel that write caching is probably a bad idea anyway.

hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama) (06/01/91)

In article <1991May31.072012.2128@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> gg2@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Guy Gallo) writes:
>In article <1991May31.060613.22766@milton.u.washington.edu> klliou@milton.u.washington.edu (Kan-Lee Liou) writes:
>>Is there anybody using Windows 3.0 and HyperDisk?
>>Is HyperDisk really better than SmartDrive?
>
>Whenever I test HyperDisk the system seems to get less stable.   
>A man on CIS did extensive testing of the two, and his conclusion 
>was that when configured similarly there is no difference.   
>And that 1500Kb is the optimum size.  
> 
>By configured similarly he means that you do *NOT* have writes  
>cached in Hyper-Disk (since SmartDRV can't cache writes). 
>The speed increase in HyperDISK is almost entirely due to  
>caching writes.  
>Personally, in a system as prone to many hangs as Windows, I
>feel that write caching is probably a bad idea anyway.

:) :) I can't read the above without smile on my face. Of course it is
as good if you take the best features out ot use. Even a bycycle is as
fast as a car if you take  the motor out  from the car  and compete on
the flat ground. Perhaps bycycle is even faster :) :)

But seriously  I  have used HyperDisk  and Windows 3.0 now  for months
without any   difficulties   and would not  use   Windows without Hydk
anymore. 

It's just GREAT. And the registration process was very  fast. I sent a
fax from here in Finland and got the registrated software in one week.
Thanks HyperWare.
-- 
== Harri Valkama, University of Vaasa, Finland ============================
 P.O. Box 700, 65101 VAASA, Finland (tel:+358 61 248426 fax:+358 61 248465)
 Anon ftp garbo.uwasa.fi (128.214.12.37) & nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100)
 hv@uwasa.fi hv@finfiles.bitnet /s=hv/o=uwasa/prdm=inet/amdm=fumail/c=fi

user2@cgevs3.cem.msu.edu (Stephen Medlin) (06/02/91)

In article <1991May31.060613.22766@milton.u.washington.edu>, klliou@milton.u.washington.edu (Kan-Lee Liou) writes:
>Is there anybody using Windows 3.0 and HyperDisk?
>Is HyperDisk really better than SmartDrive?

From my colleage's and my experience, HYPERDISK is orders of magnitude better
than SmartDrive.  I also happened to be in a book store a couple of months ago
and read in one of the Windows Books (I forget which one, but one similar to 
Peter Norton's,  QUE, or so) that showed performance of PC-KWICK, HYPERDISK,
and SMARTDRIVE.  Hyperdisk was one of the best ones.  Interestingly enough,
SmartDrive's performance plateaued out around 512 K while Hyperdisk has
performance gains all the way to about 2MB before it started to plateau.  My
colleague ran some performance tests (using PC-Mag's benchmarks) outside of
Windows and compared the performances of Hyperdisk and Smartdrive. 
Unfortunately, I don't have the results at hand, but Hyperdisk ran rings around
SmartDrive.  If you (or anyone else) are interested in these rough benchmarks,
let me know and I will post them here.  

Stephen Medlin			

dludi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan Ludirdja) (06/02/91)

klliou@milton.u.washington.edu (Kan-Lee Liou) writes:

>Is there anybody using Windows 3.0 and HyperDisk?
>Is HyperDisk really better than SmartDrive?

I tried to use HyperDisk replacing SmartDrive but have some problem when
running non windows application such as Lotus 3.1.

Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

al@well.sf.ca.us (Alfred Fontes) (06/04/91)

>From my colleage's and my experience, HYPERDISK is orders of magnitude better
>than SmartDrive.

I have to agree.  I cache the writes, and have had no problems, although
I do sometimes force a write when I feel that I'm entering dangerous ground.

By the way, I think that the Hyperdisk nag screens are terribly rude and
hostile.  My reaction was, "why should I send any money to these jerks?"
And in fact, I delayed registering for quite a long time for that
reason.  I was tempted to never register and keep downloading new versions,
but my Catholic guilt got the best of me.

jmcn@castle.ed.ac.uk (J McNicol) (06/04/91)

In article <25206@well.sf.ca.us> al@well.sf.ca.us (Alfred Fontes) writes:
>>From my colleage's and my experience, HYPERDISK is orders of magnitude better
>>than SmartDrive.
>
>I have to agree.  I cache the writes, and have had no problems, although
>I do sometimes force a write when I feel that I'm entering dangerous ground.

I would also agree, especially since I'm using a comparitatively slow
machine (386SX, 40MB disc) and having 2MB of RAM cache makes a big difference.
I have had no trouble attributable to to Hyperdisk.
>
>By the way, I think that the Hyperdisk nag screens are terribly rude and
>hostile.  My reaction was, "why should I send any money to these jerks?"
>And in fact, I delayed registering for quite a long time for that
>reason.  I was tempted to never register and keep downloading new versions,
>but my Catholic guilt got the best of me.

Now there I would disagree.  I registered BECAUSE of the nag screens, I'm
afraid to say. Without at least an opening nag screen, there's not much
incentive to register; annoying though they are, they seem quite justified.

Julian Smart
Scottish Crop Research Institute
jmcn@castle.ed.ac.uk

dalbrich@oregon.uoregon.edu (06/05/91)

I do not wish to start a debate on this subject, however I am posting this
message in hopes writers of shareware will hear this opinion.

I loved the concept of shareware when it was first introduced and still do.
Having the ability to really play with software before putting money on
the line is great!  In this way, I know exactly what I am getting.  Almost
as much as I enjoy this, I like the trust the authors give to individuals
which enables them to only pay for products they use.  This trust is
totally non-traditional and is part of what makes sharewhere really cool.
We are professionals and should not have a problem paying for products
we use.  The nagware and disabled shareware is taking us back to the retail 
scene where all you get is a demo, and can't enjoy using the software
before your purchase.
-Dan


In article <10791@castle.ed.ac.uk>, jmcn@castle.ed.ac.uk (J McNicol) writes:
> In article <25206@well.sf.ca.us> al@well.sf.ca.us (Alfred Fontes) writes:
>>>From my colleage's and my experience, HYPERDISK is orders of magnitude better
>>>than SmartDrive.
>>
>>I have to agree.  I cache the writes, and have had no problems, although
>>I do sometimes force a write when I feel that I'm entering dangerous ground.
> 
> I would also agree, especially since I'm using a comparitatively slow
> machine (386SX, 40MB disc) and having 2MB of RAM cache makes a big difference.
> I have had no trouble attributable to to Hyperdisk.
>>
>>By the way, I think that the Hyperdisk nag screens are terribly rude and
>>hostile.  My reaction was, "why should I send any money to these jerks?"
>>And in fact, I delayed registering for quite a long time for that
>>reason.  I was tempted to never register and keep downloading new versions,
>>but my Catholic guilt got the best of me.
> 
> Now there I would disagree.  I registered BECAUSE of the nag screens, I'm
> afraid to say. Without at least an opening nag screen, there's not much
> incentive to register; annoying though they are, they seem quite justified.
> 
> Julian Smart
> Scottish Crop Research Institute
> jmcn@castle.ed.ac.uk

al@well.sf.ca.us (Alfred Fontes) (06/06/91)

jmcn@castle.ed.ac.uk (J McNicol) writes:

>Now there I would disagree.  I registered BECAUSE of the nag screens...

I don't have any problem with all nag screens -- only obnoxious ones.