jla@inuxd.UUCP (Joyce Andrews) (02/15/85)
I asked my mechanic--a man with thirty year's experience--what
new car I should buy. He suggested Chrysler Corporation, and,
for what I want, spcifically the Dodge Charger. His reasons:
Higher quality (now) than other US-made cars (his opinion)
Well-engineered: rack-and-pinion steering, front wheel drive
Ease of repair (he says he is getting too old to fight with the
tough ones)
5-year/50,000 mile warranty
Lower initial cost and lower repair cost than Japanese models
I am going to look at Chargers with 2.2 liter engines (NO turbo--
I am not going to sit in the AT&T parking lot every morning
cooling off my turbo. I don't need complications in my life!
Anything that can't cool off at the same speed I can is a
complication.)
Does anyone have any experience with a newish Dodge Charger? I
can get 8.8% financing as well as a significant discount in
February before the tax man hits Indiana car dealers.
Joyce Andrews
ihnp4!inuxc!inuxd!jlajeffg@tekcbi.UUCP (Jeff Glover) (02/22/85)
In article <707@inuxd.UUCP> jla@inuxd.UUCP (Joyce Andrews) writes: ... > >I am going to look at Chargers with 2.2 liter engines (NO turbo-- >I am not going to sit in the AT&T parking lot every morning >cooling off my turbo. I don't need complications in my life! >Anything that can't cool off at the same speed I can is a >complication.) ... > > Joyce Andrews > ihnp4!inuxc!inuxd!jla Does anybody have the facts on the statement that the turbo must be cooled down? Seems kinda strange in this day of high-tech that they'd leave something so self-destructive uncorrected. -- Jeff C. Glover, Tektronix, Inc. PO Box 500, MS Y6-546, Beaverton, OR 97077 { psu-eea,masscomp,decvax,allegra,uf-cgrl,mit-eddie,mit-ems,uoregon,psu-cs, orstcs,zehntel,ucbcad,ucbvax,purdue,uw-beaver,reed,ogcvax,ihnp4,tekred, minn-ua,cbosg }!tektronix!tekcbi!jeffg
john@moncol.UUCP (John Ruschmeyer) (02/27/85)
>From: jeffg@tekcbi.UUCP (Jeff Glover) >Message-ID: <183@tekcbi.UUCP> > >Does anybody have the facts on the statement that the turbo must be cooled >down? Seems kinda strange in this day of high-tech that they'd leave >something so self-destructive uncorrected. > As I recall, Chrysler uses a water-cooled turbo in its cars. That's why it can offer the 5/50 guarantee on it without going broke again. -- Name: John Ruschmeyer US Mail: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ 07764 Phone: (201) 222-6600 x366 UUCP: ...!vax135!petsd!moncol!john ...!princeton!moncol!john Silly Quote: "Everybody knows in the second life, We all come back sooner or later. As anything from a pussy cat, To a man-eating alligator."
review@drutx.UUCP (Millham) (02/27/85)
Chrysler/Dodge Turbos DO NOT NEED A COOL DOWN PERIOD!!!!!!!!! They are water cooled not oil cooled so there is no worry about cooking your oil. Most other turbos are oil cooled, they do need a cool down after hard use. -------------------------------------------- Brian Millham AT & T Information Systems Denver, Co. ...!inhp4!drutx!review
lrd@drusd.UUCP (DuBroffLR) (02/27/85)
"As I recall, Chrysler uses a water-cooled turbo in its cars. That's why it can offer the 5/50 guarantee on it without going broke again." John Ruschmeyer Mr. Ruschmeyer's statement that Chrysler "can" offer a 5/50 guarantee implies that Chrysler has a choice. It is my understanding that Chrysler **MUST** offer this guarantee in order to sell the cars legally in this country, per EPA mandate that major components whose failure would cause the vehicle to fail to meet emission/pollution standards **MUST** be covered by the vehicle manufacturer with a (minimum) 5/50 warranty, even if the rest of the vehicle has a lesser warranty. This emission warranty covers (among other things) turbochargers, carburetors, fuel injection systems, catalytic converters, and certain components of the ignition system.
review@drutx.UUCP (Millham) (02/28/85)
> > "As I recall, Chrysler uses a water-cooled turbo in its cars. > That's why it can offer the 5/50 guarantee on it without > going broke again." > > John Ruschmeyer > >Mr. Ruschmeyer's statement that Chrysler "can" offer a 5/50 guarantee >implies that Chrysler has a choice. It is my understanding that Chrysler >**MUST** offer this guarantee in order to sell the cars legally in this >country, per EPA mandate that major components whose failure would cause >the vehicle to fail to meet emission/pollution standards **MUST** be covered >by the vehicle manufacturer with a (minimum) 5/50 warranty, even if the rest >of the vehicle has a lesser warranty. > >This emission warranty covers (among other things) turbochargers, carburetors, >fuel injection systems, catalytic converters, and certain components of the >ignition system. > The emission warranty does not cover the turbo! If this was true, why don't GM, Ford, Toyota, Saab, etc. offer the same warranty on their turbo? I don't think anyone else offers 50K miles on thier turbo. -------------------------------------------- Brian Millham AT & T Information Systems Denver, Co. ...!inhp4!drutx!review
lrd@drusd.UUCP (DuBroffLR) (02/28/85)
> > "As I recall, Chrysler uses a water-cooled turbo in its cars. > That's why it can offer the 5/50 guarantee on it without > going broke again." > > John Ruschmeyer > >Mr. Ruschmeyer's statement that Chrysler "can" offer a 5/50 guarantee >implies that Chrysler has a choice. It is my understanding that Chrysler >**MUST** offer this guarantee in order to sell the cars legally in this >country, per EPA mandate that major components whose failure would cause >the vehicle to fail to meet emission/pollution standards **MUST** be covered >by the vehicle manufacturer with a (minimum) 5/50 warranty, even if the rest >of the vehicle has a lesser warranty. > >This emission warranty covers (among other things) turbochargers, carburetors, >fuel injection systems, catalytic converters, and certain components of the >ignition system. > >> "The emission warranty does not cover the turbo! If this was true, >> why don't GM, Ford, Toyota, Saab, etc. offer the same warranty on >> their turbo? I don't think anyone else offers 50K miles on thier >> turbo." >> >> Brian Millham Mr. Millham states, emphatically, that "the emission warranty does not cover the turbo!" I maintain that turbo failure will cause vehicle emissions that do NOT meet EPA requirements; therefore, "GM, Ford, Toyota, Saab, etc." MUST treat turbo failure as an emission warranty item. Mr. Millham, I see by your "From" line that you work at ATT Denver. If you would like to contact me (x3532), I can introduce you to one of my co-workers who was recently reimbursed for the cost of a new turbo by Volvo when his turbo ate its own bearings at just under 50,000 miles. The specific reason for the reimbursement was "emission warranty" -- even though the general vehicle warranty had expired!
smith@wlcrjs.UUCP (Mark L. Smith) (02/28/85)
The emmision warranty does not cover `replaceable items' which in 1976 did not include the catylitic converter on my VW which had a "recommended" replacement at 30,000 miles. If the turbo does not have a life expectancy of 50,000 miles this is a cheap way for the manufacturer to get out of paying for it.