derek@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl (derek) (06/18/91)
I think that Windows 3.0 is buggy anyway. It won't run on my 386SX system in
anything other than standard mode.
I've tried every combination of HIMEM QEMM386 etc. Although win3 has a driver
that is supposed to support my VGA card (the AMI VIP 512) it seems to go into
some wierd mode in enhanced mode with candy-strips and half characters!
Then any non-windows application will cause the whole thing to need the big red
switch on returning to graphics (ie windows) mode.
In real mode it seems to go along quite well, but then just locks ups completly.
This means that I cann't run windows under Desqview either. (Actually I cann't
run any graphics programs very reliably under desqview.)
I think there may be problems with the video card, some programs (like Cshow and
bananoid) recognize it incorrectly. However I shopuldn't have thought that
Windows should bomb on it, since I can set it specifically, I mean, there is a
driver. Since I also have an AMI bios, unless AMI are incredibly incompetant,
there should be a conflict there either.
If anyone has the slightest idea what may be going on, I'd very much like to
hear from you.
PS - I'm using MS-DOS 3.3 with (and without) 4dos 3.02 (probably irrelevant)
QEMM 5.11 (patched), Windows 3.0, Desqview 2.24
Best Regards, Derek Carr
DEREK@DTS.INE.PHILIPS.NL Philips IE TQV-5 Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Standard Disclaimers apply.derek@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl (derek) (06/21/91)
Thankyou to the people who already replied. There was an error in my original post - the board was an ATI (not AMI) VIP card. Now I know that it was at fault. Yesterday I bought a new VGA card - a Tseng ET4000 1Meg (brand QTec), and now windows runs like a dream. However, I still have a small problem. I wanted to run Windows instead of Desqview, but it still looks as though I'll need both, because I cann't cut text from non-windows applications to paste in other applications. (Or am I missing something?) This is something I do a lot in Desqview, using 2 windows in 50 or 60 line mode. Is there a utility I can use in windows to do the same job? Best Regards, Derek Carr DEREK@DTS.INE.PHILIPS.NL Philips IE TQV-5 Eindhoven, The Netherlands Standard Disclaimers apply.
bxw@ccadfa.adfa.oz.au (Brad Willcott) (06/22/91)
derek@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl (derek) writes: [...] >However, I still have a small problem. I wanted to run Windows instead of >Desqview, but it still looks as though I'll need both, because I cann't >cut text from non-windows applications to paste in other applications. (Or >am I missing something?) This is something I do a lot in Desqview, using 2 >windows in 50 or 60 line mode. Is there a utility I can use in windows to do >the same job? What are the applications that you need to use that are not Win3 apps? Perhaps it is time to upgrade to the Win3 equivalents!?! -- Brad Willcott, ACSnet: bxw@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz Computing Services, Internet: bxw@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au Australian Defence Force Academy, UUCP:!uunet!munnari.oz.au!ccadfa.oz!bxw Northcott Dr. Campbell ACT Australia 2600 +61 6 268 8584 +61 6 268 8150 (Fax)
ole@edb.tih.no (Ole Nymoen) (06/22/91)
In article <743@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl>, derek@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl (derek) writes: >However, I still have a small problem. I wanted to run Windows instead of >Desqview, but it still looks as though I'll need both, because I cann't >cut text from non-windows applications to paste in other applications. (Or >am I missing something?) This is something I do a lot in Desqview, using 2 >windows in 50 or 60 line mode. Is there a utility I can use in windows to do >the same job? Windows handles this fine by itself. To copy text to the clipboard you simply mark the text area (block marking with the mouse) and presses return. The DOS-program have to be in a window. You can switch between full screen and window mode with alt-return. To paste text from the clipboard you choose edit/paste (if my memory serves me right) from the system menu of the dos program window. I have done this many times without any problems. Ole
briang@deadzone.uucp (Brian Greenberg) (06/23/91)
In article <n7mp1ioplC@humpty.edb.tih.no> ole@edb.tih.no (Ole Nymoen) writes: > >To copy text to the clipboard you >simply mark the text area (block marking with the mouse) and presses return. >The DOS-program have to be in a window. You can switch between full screen >and window mode with alt-return. But don't certain DOS-programs prohibit themselves from running in a Window? I can't think of a definite example right off the top of my head, but I seem to remember having trouble with Lotus 1-2-3 and other similar software. >To paste text from the clipboard you choose edit/paste (if my memory >serves me right) from the system menu of the dos program window. > >I have done this many times without any problems. > >Ole Just a thought... _ __ ]_) . ] briang%deadzone@Princeton.EDU <\___...____ ]_) ]~ ] C\ ]\) ]__]. "I don't know why I go to extremes" </ (_III_) ~ - B. Joel
ebergman@isis.cs.du.edu (Eric Bergman-Terrell) (06/23/91)
I believe that MS DOS applications can "prevent themselves from running in a window" by just doing graphics. Terrell
ole@edb.tih.no (Ole Nymoen) (06/24/91)
In article <1991Jun23.164723.24649@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ebergman@isis.cs.du.edu (Eric Bergman-Terrell) writes: >I believe that MS DOS applications can "prevent themselves from running in >a window" by just doing graphics. Not so. I haven't used many dos programs which uses graphics but Lotus Manuscript (preview) and Lotus Freelance can be shown in a window. Ole
jrv@demon.siemens.com (James R Vallino) (06/24/91)
In article <1991Jun23.053123.6201@deadzone.uucp> briang@deadzone.uucp (Brian Greenberg) writes: >In article <n7mp1ioplC@humpty.edb.tih.no> ole@edb.tih.no (Ole Nymoen) writes: >> >>To copy text to the clipboard you >>simply mark the text area (block marking with the mouse) and presses return. >>The DOS-program have to be in a window. You can switch between full screen >>and window mode with alt-return. > >But don't certain DOS-programs prohibit themselves from running in a Window? >I can't think of a definite example right off the top of my head, but I seem >to remember having trouble with Lotus 1-2-3 and other similar software. You can still paste to a full screen DOS application. Cut the material from the Windows application to the clipboard as described. At this point the full screen DOS application will be minimized. Single click on its icon. The menu which appears will have Paste as an item. When you select this option the DOS application will be given the focus, i.e. brought full screen, and the clipboard text will be entered at the cursor location. With some full screen DOS applications you can also go the other way. Hitting Prt-Sc (or maybe it's Shift Prt-Sc) will copy all text from the display to the clipboard. -- Jim Vallino Siemens Corporate Research, Inc., Princeton, NJ jrv@demon.siemens.com princeton!siemens!demon!jrv (609) 734-3331
marcelo@deadzone.uucp (Marcelo Gallardo) (06/25/91)
briang@deadzone.uucp (Brian Greenberg) writes: >But don't certain DOS-programs prohibit themselves from running in a Window? >I can't think of a definite example right off the top of my head, but I seem >to remember having trouble with Lotus 1-2-3 and other similar software. Some programs have problems running in a window. Most of the time this can be taken care of by using a PIF for said program. I've found that most of the programs that have problems, are TSRs. -- Marcelo Gallardo marcelo%deadzone@princeton.edu Test and Evaluation Specialist ...!princeton!deadzone!marcelo Princeton University marcelo@sparcwood.princeton.edu Advanced Technologies and Applications (609) 258-5661