Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Dunn) (06/24/91)
> mjohnsto@lakers.shearson.com writes: > > Msg-ID: <MJOHNSTO.91Jun24112451@lakers.shearson.com> > Posted: 24 Jun 91 15:24:51 GMT > > Org. : Lehman Brothers > Person: Mike Johnston > > > Last nite I had a particularly exasperating session with Word for Windows and > Grammatik IV (the new windows version). I was working on a review and was > using > outline mode. I called up G4 and proceeded to check my document. After I > saved > it and returned to W4W my formatting within the document was all screwed up. > I started manually correcting it. When it came time to autosave, W4W just > gave me an unrecoverable application error and gave up. The file must have > just been to screwed up and Word couldn't handle it. I noted that Word > behaved strangely after I reloaded the checked document. > It is a little hard to tell from your posting, but I suspect that you loaded your document into Grammatik from disk without first closing the document in Word. You thus have two applications trying to modify the same disk file (upon saving), and once a few changes have been made from Grammatik the two documents (the still open one in WfW and the modified version in Grammatik) are not identical. Add in the fact that only part of each "open" document is in RAM at one time and you may have a recipe for disaster. Imagine that the formatting information in WfW says that characters 598 to 645 in the file are to be bold. Suppose that the formatting information in WfW is in RAM while characters 400 to 800 are currently on the disk. Fire up Grammatik and modify the disk file by deleting characters 450 to 460 which are a superfluous word. Tell Word to save the file. It doesn't know that you have deleted some characters from the disk file, and when it combines RAM information and disk information in a new file it continues to apply the formatting to characters 598 to 645. This is now adding the bold format to some incorrect characters. I have seen a similar phenomenon when wordprocessing with a floppy disk. Without closing the file I moved the floppy to another computer to do a trial printout. The printout wasn't quite correct, so I edited the file a bit and resaved it. I took the modified file to the original computer and resumed work, then saved. I got just the phenomen described, where blocks of underlining, bolding etc got shifed back and forth depending on how I had deleted or inserted material. -- Bruce Dunn Vancouver, Canada Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca
mjohnsto@lakers.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) (06/24/91)
Last nite I had a particularly exasperating session with Word for Windows and Grammatik IV (the new windows version). I was working on a review and was using outline mode. I called up G4 and proceeded to check my document. After I saved it and returned to W4W my formatting within the document was all screwed up. I started manually correcting it. When it came time to autosave, W4W just gave me an unrecoverable application error and gave up. The file must have just been to screwed up and Word couldn't handle it. I noted that Word behaved strangely after I reloaded the checked document. I guess this is more of a warning to folks than a question. I haven't called the people at Reference software yet but I think that it's best NOT to use grammatik if you're going to use the outline feature of W4W. I don't think it's a problem with Word because it's I've not had a single problem with it yet. It just seems very suspicious that the very FIRST TIME I load a document into Grammatik that has used outlining that it causes these problems. More to come. Has anyone else experienced this? -- Michael R. Johnston mjohnsto@shearson.com Lehman Brothers (212) 640-9116 "I was a reporter, and this worried me a great deal and I could not understand how the devil I had gotten myself into such a fix." - Hesse
mjohnsto@slhsu.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) (06/25/91)
In article <6474@mindlink.bc.ca> Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Dunn) writes: > > Last nite I had a particularly exasperating session with Word for Windows and > Grammatik IV (the new windows version). I was working on a review and was > using > outline mode. I called up G4 and proceeded to check my document. After I > saved > it and returned to W4W my formatting within the document was all screwed up. > I started manually correcting it. When it came time to autosave, W4W just > gave me an unrecoverable application error and gave up. The file must have > just been to screwed up and Word couldn't handle it. I noted that Word > behaved strangely after I reloaded the checked document. > Let me clarify myself. I'm using the Grammatik macro from within W4W. It is the method the documentation suggests using from within word). IE it saves the document, calls up grammatik and then reloads the document after checking is complete. -- Michael R. Johnston mjohnsto@shearson.com Lehman Brothers (212) 640-9116 "I was a reporter, and this worried me a great deal and I could not understand how the devil I had gotten myself into such a fix." - Hesse