angab@acad2.alaska.edu (BUSCH GERALD A) (06/25/91)
Gerry Busch If you mean the backgammon game from cica, I'd say yes, it does cheat. It rolls doubles 4 to 6 times more often than I do. Others who have the game say the same thing.
bdh@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Brian D. Howard) (06/25/91)
angab@acad2.alaska.edu (BUSCH GERALD A) writes: >Gerry Busch >If you mean the backgammon game from cica, I'd say yes, it does cheat. It >rolls doubles 4 to 6 times more often than I do. Others who have the game >say the same thing. Last night in a trial run of 92 pairs of rolls it appears the computers tends to roll higher rolls as well as more doubles than the player. This is not near enough observations to generate statistically significant results, but the best that could be done at one sitting. I will take 10 or so samples of about the same size and report back. -- "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and talent."
landers@vulcan.mgmt.purdue.edu (Christopher Landers) (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun25.152329.1720@raven.alaska.edu> angab@acad2.alaska.edu writes: > >If you mean the backgammon game from cica, I'd say yes, it does cheat. It >rolls doubles 4 to 6 times more often than I do. Others who have the game >say the same thing. I've found this to be true with many human v. computer games involving dice rolls. Perhaps its user perception, perhaps devious programming, perhaps a common algorthim published in IEEE years ago.... Metaphysically: Can a computer cheat? Philosophacally: Why write a game program that cheats? (unless you're watching a sucker play) -- <================================><===============================> || Christopher Landers || PURDUE UNIVERSITY - KRAN 708 || || Krannert Computing Center || West Lafayette, IN 47907 || <=================== landers@zeus.mgmt.purdue.edu ================>
user2@cgevs3.cem.msu.edu (Stephen Medlin) (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun25.152329.1720@raven.alaska.edu>, angab@acad2.alaska.edu (BUSCH GERALD A) writes: >Gerry Busch > >If you mean the backgammon game from cica, I'd say yes, it does cheat. It >rolls doubles 4 to 6 times more often than I do. Others who have the game >say the same thing. You know, I was wondering about that also. I would be in a great position to win the game, when, out of the blue, BG would get the perfect roll. This seemed to happen to often for it to be just coincidence. I also notice that the randomization of rolls is not that great--lots of games start out too similarly. Still, a fun game. Would be neat to make it into a 2 human game--my wife and I love Backgammon and it would be nice to have the computer set up the game, etc. SVM
toma@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun25.152329.1720@raven.alaska.edu> angab@acad2.alaska.edu writes: >Gerry Busch >If you mean the backgammon game from cica, I'd say yes, it does cheat. It >rolls doubles 4 to 6 times more often than I do. Others who have the game >say the same thing. I don't have this game, but assuming that its is Shareware it gives me a great idea. The program cheats until you register it. They you are given a password so it plays correctly! What a subtle way to encourage registration. -- Tom Almy toma@sail.labs.tek.com Standard Disclaimers Apply
fritz@urz.unibas.ch (06/26/91)
In article <1991Jun25.152329.1720@raven.alaska.edu>, angab@acad2.alaska.edu (BUSCH GERALD A) writes: > Gerry Busch > > If you mean the backgammon game from cica, I'd say yes, it does cheat. It > rolls doubles 4 to 6 times more often than I do. Others who have the game > say the same thing. -- IT DOES CHEAT !!! This Backgammon game is really nice but DON'T PLAY TOO MUCH, OR YOU'LL GET COMPLETELY FRUSTRATED !!! --------------------------------------------- Oliver Fritz University of Basel, Switzerland ---------------------------------------------
zardoz@rx-db (Jim Garver) (06/27/91)
Try this: If he has a single blot on square one of your home position, and you roll a five, hit him, even though its a dumb move on your part. The thing will get a one every time and thus set you back the whole run vs. his minor loss. This is part of the Pavlovian user training built into the game. Yes, it cheats and rolls lots of convenient doubles and such, but I can beat it usually anyway.
bchen@argon.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Chen) (06/27/91)
It may be possible that the BG algorithm tries to distribute the pieces on the board as to minimize the possibility of a "bad roll", hence every roll looks like "the perfect roll". I have to admit that it does get many more double rolls than I do in an average game. Either way, I usually manage to beat it more times than not (even to the point where it gets in no pieces at all, in which case the game credits you with 3 wins.) BC -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Chen Electronics Research Laboratory 550-A4 Cory Hall, University of California (bchen@argon.Berkeley.EDU, ...!ucbvax!argon!bchen)