harrison@csl.dl.nec.com (Mark Harrison) (05/24/91)
Archive-name: x11/toolkits/tk/1991-05-23 Archive: sprite.berkeley.edu:tk.tar.Z [128.32.150.27] Original-posting-by: harrison@csl.dl.nec.com (Mark Harrison) Original-subject: Re: looking for interpreter / macro language facility Reposted-by: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti, MSEN) In article <1991May22.153052.30224@wpi.WPI.EDU> ajb@miles.WPI.EDU (Arthur J. Butler) writes: >hi. i am looking for advice and/or suggestions on an interpreter or >macro language facility which i plan on adding to my application. are >there common languages which are used to add macro facilities to >applications? You might want to check out tcl, the Tool Command Language, by Prof. John Ousterhout at UC Berkeley. I have used it on several projects now and am immensely pleased with the results. It is distributed as part of the Tk release. Here is the release announcement for Tk 1.0: ------------------------------------------ This is to announce the first official release of the Tk toolkit for X11. Tk is philosophically similar to Xt, but it is based around the Tcl language. The use of Tcl simplifies the toolkit and also provides a great deal of additional power: many applications can be written as Tcl scripts without writing any C code at all, and Tcl provides a means for different applications to communicate with each other. A paper describing Tk appeared in the Winter '91 USENIX Conference Proceedings, and is also distributed as part of the release. The release contains source code and documentation for the following things: (1) The Tk toolkit. (2) The Tcl command language. (3) A Motif-like widget set. (4) A simple windowing shell called "wish". (5) A few demo scripts for wish. All of the Tk and Tcl stuff is public and free. As far as I'm concerned, you can do anything you want with it. If you build applications based on Tk I'd be interested to hear what they are and how Tk helped or hindered your application(s). If you decide Tk is a piece of junk, I'd be interested to hear your reasons. Overall, I'd rate this release as about beta-level in quality: I hope that the code is pretty stable, but I expect to get a lot of feedback about missing or undesirable features. There's a complete set of manual entries but no tutorial-style introduction yet. I hope that you won't have too much trouble getting started with Tk if you've had previous experience programming X11. Some of you may have discovered various pre-release versions of Tcl over the last few months. The new release supercedes the pre-release versions and contains a number of bug fixes plus a few additional features such as the "wm" command for dealing with window managers. The release is available for public FTP from sprite.berkeley.edu (Internet address 128.32.150.27). To retrieve the release, use anonymous FTP to sprite (user "anonymous", password "guest") and retrieve the file "tk.tar.Z" with the following set of commands: type image (try "type binary" if this command is rejected) get tk.tar.Z What you'll get is a compressed tar file; to get back the original directory hierarchy, type the commands uncompress tk.tar.Z tar xf tk.tar This will create a tk subdirectory with all the source files and documentation. There will be a README file in the subdirectory that tells how to compile Tk and gives some hints about how to get started with Tk. If you can't get access to the release via the Internet, send me e-mail and I'll try to find some other way to get the release to you (e.g. 1/2" tape or Exabyte-style 8mm videocassette). I've also set up a mailing list for people interested in exchanging e-mail about Tcl and Tk. If you're interested in joining the list, let me know. ------------------------------------------------ To subscribe to the mailing list, send a request to tcl-admin@sprite.berkeley.edu. -- Mark Harrison | Note: harrison@ssd.dl.nec.com and harrison@csl.dl.nec.com | necssd!harrison are not operating at (214)518-5050 | present. Please forward mail through the | above address. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- comp.archives file verification sprite.berkeley.edu -rw-rw-r-- 1 ouster guest 822915 Apr 26 08:55 tk.tar.Z found tk ok sprite.berkeley.edu:tk.tar.Z
martelli@cadlab.sublink.ORG (Alex Martelli) (05/30/91)
Archive-name: x11/toolkits/tk/1991-05-24
Archive: sprite.berkeley.edu:tk.tar.Z [128.32.150.27]
Original-posting-by: martelli@cadlab.sublink.ORG (Alex Martelli)
Original-subject: Re: looking for interpreter / macro language facility
Reposted-by: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti, MSEN)
ajb@miles.WPI.EDU (Arthur J. Butler) writes:
:hi. i am looking for advice and/or suggestions on an interpreter or
:macro language facility which i plan on adding to my application. are
Try looking into tcl, the Tools Command Language by John Ousterhout
(ouster@allspice.berkeley.edu); it is designed exactly for what you
are thinking of. A paper on it was presented at the Winter 1990
Usenix conference; it is also widely available for anon ftp (sorry,
I'm not on the Internet so I don't recall where it can be had, but
the usual 'archie' service can tell you that). At present there are
two slightly diverging branches of the tcl family: Tcl 4.something,
enhanced by 'hackercorp' (Peter da Silva, and others) with many
modular extensions such as associative arrays and regular expressions;
and Tcl 5.something, without those enhancements but integrated with
Tk into a rich X Window System-ready environment. From the needs
you express, I believe you'd be most interested in Tcl 4.
Other possibilities are Rexx, a nice language chosen for a similar
purpose in IBM's SAA and also dominating this field for Amiga boxes,
but I don't think you can get it for free; and others I have just
heard mentioned, such as Python. The 'others' cathegory includes
lots of Lisps and Schemes, but I guess you could get more details
on those in comp.lang.{lisp.scheme}.
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sprite.berkeley.edu:tk.tar.Zguido@cwi.nl (Guido van Rossum) (05/30/91)
Archive-name: unix/language/python/1991-05-28 Archive-directory: gatekeeper.dec.com:/pub/misc/python/ [16.1.0.2] Original-posting-by: guido@cwi.nl (Guido van Rossum) Original-subject: Re: looking for interpreter / macro language facility Reposted-by: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti, MSEN) ajb@miles.WPI.EDU (Arthur J. Butler) writes: >hi. i am looking for advice and/or suggestions on an interpreter or >macro language facility which i plan on adding to my application. [...] > within this macro language, i need to at least to > a) be able to call functions within my program. > b) be able to use control and loop constructs. > c) define and use simple variables. >my program will be written in C/C++ to be run in a UNIX workstation >environment. [...] This was one of the purposes why I developed Python. Python is an interpreted programming language with high-level data types (strings, lists, associative arrays; everything unlimited in size and garbage collected) and provides all the features you request. It is also object-oriented. Its syntax is intended to be as clear as possible, to allow a quick start for casual users. Python is normally used as a stand-alone interpreter, but hooks are provided to add Python as an extension language to existing C applications. I have no experience with hooking it up to C++ applications yet. I do know that Python is written quite portably. Python is freely available. It is still under development; I hope to distribute a new version this summer. If you try to do unusual things with it, I am eager to hear about your experiences, and willing to help hacking the code (or to point out where to start hacking). See the attached availability sheet. --Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <guido@cwi.nl> "The life of a Repo Man is always intense" Availability of Python and STDWIN ================================= Python and STDWIN were posted to alt.sources around february 1991. They should be available from sites that archive this newsgroup, such as wuarchive.wustl.edu. I also post patches to this group. (I will post the entire source to comp.sources.misc when I think the products are a little bit more finished.) Python and STDWIN are available from a number of ftp sites. The * in file names is the version number, e.g., 0.9.5 (the last digit is the patch level). Current version numbers are 0.9.1 for Python and 0.9.5 for STDWIN. Site hp4nl.nluug.nl (IP address 192.16.202.2) For whom users in the Netherlands and the rest of Europe Note the same archive is also accessible via mcsun.eu.net Directory pub/windows File stdwin*.tar.Z Directory pub/programming/languages Files python*.tar.Z pythondoc[12].ps.Z Directory pub/comp/mac/compiler File Python.hqx Site wuarchive.wustl.edu (IP address 128.252.135.4) For whom users in North America Directory usenet/alt.sources Note Raw alt.sources archive, see README there. Grep -i the Index file for "stdwin" or "python". Site gatekeeper.dec.com (IP address 16.1.0.2) For whom users in North America Directory pub/misc File stdwin*.tar.Z Directory pub/misc/python Files python*.tar.Z pythondoc[12].ps.Z Python.hqx.Z -- comp.archives file verification gatekeeper.dec.com total 781 -r--r--r-- 1 root 78061 Mar 18 19:01 pythondoc2.ps.Z -r--r--r-- 1 root 72777 Mar 18 19:00 pythondoc1.ps.Z -r--r--r-- 1 root 129241 Mar 18 19:00 Python.hqx.Z -r--r--r-- 1 root 496849 Mar 18 19:00 python0.9.1.tar.Z found python ok gatekeeper.dec.com:/pub/misc/python/