rsm@amethyst.ma.arizona.edu (Robert Maier) (11/07/88)
I recently talked to the SMTP server at next.com, NeXT Inc.'s flagship
Internet machine. The session transcript was as follows.
onyx$ telnet next.com smtp
Trying 129.18.1.2 ...
Connected to next.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 NeXT.COM Sendmail 4.0/NeXT0.3-Aleph ready at Mon, 7 Nov 88 14:32:13 PST
HELP
214-Commands:
214- HELO MAIL RCPT DATA RSET
214- NOOP QUIT HELP VRFY EXPN
214-For more info use "HELP <topic>".
214-smtp
214-To report bugs in the implementation contact Sun Microsystems
214-Technical Support.
214-For local information contact postmaster at this site.
214 End of HELP info
QUIT
221 NeXT.COM closing connection
Connection closed by foreign host.
To judge by the ``To report bugs in the implementation contact Sun
Microsystems'', they're using a Sun!
Either that or they're poking fun at a competitor. :-)
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Robert S. Maier
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BITNET: maier@arizrvax INTERNET: rsm@amethyst.ma.arizona.eduguy@auspex.UUCP (Guy Harris) (11/09/88)
>To judge by the ``To report bugs in the implementation contact Sun >Microsystems'', they're using a Sun! > >Either that or they're poking fun at a competitor. :-) Or they're running the "sendmail" from the NFS source distribution, and haven't bothered fixing "/usr/lib/sendmail.hf" (which is what somebody claimed was the case). The real question is "what happens if you type 'debug' at it?" :-)
ram@shukra.Sun.COM (Renu Raman) (11/09/88)
In article <415@auspex.UUCP> guy@auspex.UUCP (Guy Harris) writes: >>To judge by the ``To report bugs in the implementation contact Sun >>Microsystems'', they're using a Sun! >> >>Either that or they're poking fun at a competitor. :-) > >Or they're running the "sendmail" from the NFS source distribution, and >haven't bothered fixing "/usr/lib/sendmail.hf" (which is what somebody >claimed was the case). > >The real question is "what happens if you type 'debug' at it?" :-) "command unrecognized" Renu Raman
johnl@ima.ima.isc.com (John R. Levine) (11/09/88)
In article <843@amethyst.ma.arizona.edu> rsm@amethyst.ma.arizona.edu (Robert Maier) writes: >I recently talked to the SMTP server at next.com, NeXT Inc.'s flagship >Internet machine [and it seemed to be a Sun.] I'm not surprised -- NeXT had to bootstrap from somewhere, and Suns are as good a place to start as any. Also, most of us consider our mail gateways to be slow cruddy machines rather than flagships. The real question, of course, is whether their mail server was compiled with the debug flag on. -- John R. Levine, IECC, PO Box 349, Cambridge MA 02238-0349, +1 617 492 3869 { bbn | spdcc | decvax | harvard | yale }!ima!johnl, Levine@YALE.something Disclaimer: This is not a disclaimer.
STORKEL@RICE.BITNET (Scott Storkel) (11/29/88)
The gateway machine at next.com IS a Sun. At a demo of the NeXT machine one of the guys referred to it as their "virus catcher". He also mentioned that the NextStep user interface began life on Suns (the software guys didn't want to wait for the hardware guys to get done). Now if NeXT would release a version of NextStep for Suns those machines would finally be worth something. Scott Storkel Macintosh Software Development Rice University
bob@allosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield) (11/30/88)
In article <709STORKEL@RICE> STORKEL@RICE.BITNET (Scott Storkel) writes: >Now if NeXT would release a version of NextStep for Suns... If they were to release the source to at least the protocol and toolkit libraries, and the sources to some of their window clients, then we'd at least be able to knit the NeXT box into an environment of existing UNIX boxes where people are used to running a client on one box talking to a server on another. In a similar vein, yesterday I received literature from Stepstone Inc. They sell an Objective-C compiler, a "Foundation" class library, an Objective-C interpreter, and a Graphical User Interface class library. Various parts of their product line run on Apollos, HP9000-200/300, Sun-2, Sun-3, VAX/Ultrix, VAX/VMS, and PC-AT. The UI toolkit pieces run under some of the vendors' window systems (e.g. DM on Apollos, native or X10R4 on HPs, SunView on Suns, and X10R4 on Ultrix VAXen). The compiler seems to run on most everything. Their University site license fees seem most reasonable, and include source to everything. (If only other companies would be so open - sigh...) They say the develoment environment is getting ported to more platforms daily - all they need is a good C compiler. Perhaps an X11 interface is coming soon. I'd love to play with the Interface Builder as an X11 application, and see the "bouncing molecules in a cylinder" demo running on some of the compute engines around here, displaying on my Sun running X11 I'm just beginning to understand the genealogy of this stuff, I think. It seems that NeXT licensed Stepstone's development environment, put it on the Display PostScript backend much as it was already on the X10 and SunView backends, cleaned up the existing classes, and added a few more. Then they sold it to IBM to stretch Perot's dollars a bit further to make it to the ship date :-) This still doesn't mean that you could use StepStone's stuff to develop code to run on a Cray that will whisper PostScript in your NeXT window server's ear. You'll still need some classes from NeXT to get the PostScript flying on the wire. But it's a start. (Of course, I have no connection with either NeXT or Stepstone, other than as a very curious inquirer and seeker-after-nifty-stuff.)
mh@wlbr.EATON.COM (Mike Hoegeman) (12/02/88)
In article <709STORKEL@RICE> STORKEL@RICE.BITNET (Scott Storkel) writes: >The gateway machine at next.com IS a Sun. At a demo of the NeXT machine one of >the guys referred to it as their "virus catcher". He also mentioned that the >NextStep user interface began life on Suns (the software guys didn't want to >wait for the hardware guys to get done). Now if NeXT would release a version of >NextStep for Suns those machines would finally be worth something. If you want a real man's :-) PostScript environment instead of just this display-only stuff Check out NeWS from sun. Supposedly NDE (NeWS Development Environment) , once it hit's the street, will give NextStep a run for it's money. I think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread even without NDE and pretty bug free to boot?. I am extremely glad that NeXT is taking the PostScript Stance as far as window systems go though, I never could see the appeal in X windows anywhere. Sure it pioneered the notion of making the window a network service, but in most other aspects it's just the same 'ol stuff. NoW, If AlL ThEsE PeoPLE CoulD JuST KeeP THeiR HanDS OfF ThE CapS Key WhEn they make up ThEsE NameS I'D DiE A HaPPy MaN.... -mike
fnf@fishpond.UUCP (Fred Fish) (12/02/88)
In article <24748@wlbr.EATON.COM> mh@wlbr.eaton.com.UUCP (Mike Hoegeman) writes: >PeoPLE CoulD JuST KeeP THeiR HanDS OfF ThE CapS Key WhEn they make up >ThEsE NameS I'D DiE A HaPPy MaN.... Amen. I propose that since NeXT obviously doesn't consider the 'e' very important, that we simply drop it, which gives us "NXT". Then, just lower case the rest to make it "nxt". This is mnemonic enough to make it obvious what machine we are talking about, without confusing the original nxt machine with the next nxt machine. -Fred -- # Fred Fish, 1346 West 10th Place, Tempe, AZ 85281, USA # noao!nud!fishpond!fnf (602) 921-1113
shap@polya.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan S. Shapiro) (12/03/88)
Uh, NDE stands for *Networked* Develpment Environment, not *NeWS* Development Environment... Jon
mh@wlbr.EATON.COM (Mike Hoegeman) (12/04/88)
In article <5416@polya.Stanford.EDU> shap@polya.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan S. Shapiro) writes: > >Uh, NDE stands for *Networked* Develpment Environment, not *NeWS* >Development Environment... > >Jon Don't "UH" too quickly, I'm pretty sure NDE is **NeWS** Development Environment, NOT **Networked** Development Environment**, You're thinking of Network Software Environment (NSE) which is a something completely different. Both are products of sun. There will be seminars on both at the sun users group conference in miami next week. -mike
knighton@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Robert Knighton) (12/06/88)
In article <24769@wlbr.EATON.COM> mh@wlbr.eaton.com.UUCP (Mike Hoegeman) writes: >In article <5416@polya.Stanford.EDU> shap@polya.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan S. Shapiro) writes: > > > > >Uh, NDE stands for *Networked* Develpment Environment, not *NeWS* > >Development Environment... > > > >Jon > >Don't "UH" too quickly, I'm pretty sure NDE is **NeWS** Development >Environment, NOT **Networked** Development Environment**, You're >thinking of Network Software Environment (NSE) which is a something >completely different. Both are products of sun. There will be seminars >on both at the sun users group conference in miami next week. > >-mike *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** 1 000000 000000 000000 11 000000 000000 000000 111 000 000 000 000 000 000 1111 000 000 000 000 000 000 11 000 000 000 000 000 000 11 000 000 000 000 000 000 11 000 000 000 000 000 000 11 000 000 000 000 000 000 11 000 000 000 000 000 000 11 000 000 000 000 000 000 11 000 000 000 000 000 000 11 000 000 000 000 000 000 111111 000000 000000 000000 111111 000000 000000 000000 *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** W E D I D I T ! ! ! 1000 articles in comp.sys.next! The above article was our 1000th. Now, I'm sure that it wasn't the 1000th article for everybody, but I just had to include it. We are now legitimate. Party time!!!! Everybody meet at steve's house on the 17th of Dec. at 10:00PM PST. BYOB! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Robert
ai5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Vikram Lall) (12/06/88)
In article <1027@oswego.Oswego.EDU>, knighton@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Robert Knighton) writes: > > W E D I D I T ! ! ! > > 1000 articles in comp.sys.next! The above article was our 1000th. Now, I'm sure > that it wasn't the 1000th article for everybody, but I just had to include it. We are now > legitimate. Party time!!!! Everybody meet at steve's house on the 17th of Dec. at > 10:00PM PST. BYOB! :-) :-) :-) BYOB? bring your own beer or box? ;-) > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Robert vik
shap@polya.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan S. Shapiro) (12/07/88)
In article <24769@wlbr.EATON.COM> mh@wlbr.eaton.com.UUCP (Mike Hoegeman) writes: >In article <5416@polya.Stanford.EDU> shap@polya.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan S. Shapiro) writes: > > > > >Uh, NDE stands for *Networked* Develpment Environment, not *NeWS* > >Development Environment... > > > >Jon > >Don't "UH" too quickly, I'm pretty sure NDE is **NeWS** Development >Environment... I spoke too soon - it is indeed NeWS Development Environment
bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) (12/08/88)
In article <1027@oswego.Oswego.EDU> knighton@oswego.oswego.edu.Oswego.EDU (Robert Knighton) writes: > W E D I D I T ! ! ! > > 1000 articles in comp.sys.next! The above article was our 1000th. Now, I'm sure >that it wasn't the 1000th article for everybody, but I just had to include it. We are now >legitimate. Party time!!!! Everybody meet at steve's house on the 17th of Dec. at >10:00PM PST. BYOB! :-) :-) :-) > > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Robert It sure isn't the 1000'th article here! it's the 16'th! I'm fairly certain that the distribution is badly broken somehow, and ends up in 'junk' which doesn't always get propagated... News Admins, please check! Thanks, -- Bruce Becker Toronto, Ont. Internet: bdb@becker.UUCP, bruce@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu, becker@ziebmef.UUCP BitNet: BECKER@HUMBER.BITNET "Paranoia is its own reward" - Lyon Bullroarey, honorary American
debra@alice.UUCP (Paul De Bra) (12/11/88)
In article <168@becker.UUCP> bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) writes: ]In article <1027@oswego.Oswego.EDU> knighton@oswego.oswego.edu.Oswego.EDU (Robert Knighton) writes: ]> W E D I D I T ! ! ! ]> ]> 1000 articles in comp.sys.next! The above article was our 1000th. Now, I'm sure ]>that it wasn't the 1000th article for everybody, but I just had to include it. We are now ]>legitimate. Party time!!!! Everybody meet at steve's house on the 17th of Dec. at ]>10:00PM PST. BYOB! :-) :-) :-) ]> ]> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Robert ] ] ] ]It sure isn't the 1000'th article here! it's the 16'th! I'm fairly certain ]that the distribution is badly broken somehow, and ends up in 'junk' which ]doesn't always get propagated... ] You're both wrong. It isn't the 1000'th article, but certainly not the 16'th. I've been following comp.sys.next from the start and have noticed that due to problems at some news-sites some articles have been repeated. I guess somewhere between 50 and 100. So we're still getting close... Paul. -- ------------------------------------------------------ |debra@research.att.com | uunet!research!debra | ------------------------------------------------------