[comp.sys.next] So how about X

cattelan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Russell Cattelan) (02/11/90)

So now that it is almost a month past the supposed release of the 
X11 Server for the cube, does any body have any information about it
or has it been neatly postponed?

On a similar note has anyone tried to compile R4 on the cubes, and if
so any neat tricks that I should know about before I start?

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smb@datran2.uunet (Steven M. Boker) (02/12/90)

In article <1990Feb11.092939.17598@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu>, cattelan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Russell Cattelan) writes:
> So now that it is almost a month past the supposed release of the 
> X11 Server for the cube, does any body have any information about it
> or has it been neatly postponed?
> 

I poked around quite a bit in January trying to get an answer to this very
question.  According to my sources, 1. NeXT is not working on or particularly
interested in X.  2. Project Athena at MIT has been working on the port
and has released alphas of varying quality to selected individuals.  
3. There is only one person working on the port and that person is a
student.  Now that school is back in session this person has little if any
time to devote to the project.

Please correct me if I am wrong folks.  Personally, I think that the
sales people at NeXT would be very happy to see a working port of X.  Its
another arrow in their quiver when they try to make a sale.  Given 
Steve Jobs attitude towards X, I doubt that NeXT will ever make a considered
effort in that direction, or perhaps only as an afterthought.  I know
X is far from perfect, and I personally much prefer NeXTStep as a 
development environment, but its hard to get along ignoring such a large
and open windowing connectivity standard.  <<end soapbox>>

Anybody else heard anything?

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bwbe_c52@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Brent Benson) (02/12/90)

In article <431@datran2.uunet> smb@datran2.uunet (Steven M. Boker) writes:
>In article <1990Feb11.092939.17598@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu>, cattelan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Russell Cattelan) writes:
>> So now that it is almost a month past the supposed release of the 
>> X11 Server for the cube, does any body have any information about it
>> or has it been neatly postponed?
>> 
>
>Anybody else heard anything?
>
This from the Febuary Byte Magazine, (p.26):

While most of the Unix world has moved toward the X Window System 
as the windowing system for workstations and applications, the NeXT
Computer uses a proprietary wondowing system.  But now MIT, which
developed and distributes X Window [sic], has come up with a version
that runs on the NeXT cube.  After buying a number of NeXT machines, 
MIT wanted to integrate them into its Athena computing environment,
which makes use of X Window.

The X Window port to the NeXT lets the user create a NextStep window
on the screen, which is equivalent to an X Window device, according
to NeXT, Inc.'s Barry Silverman, who worked with MIT on the X Window
port.  This means that nay application that adheres to X11 calls can
run within this window on the NeXT.

Initially, the port supports X11 release 3, and eventually it will
support release 4.  MIT will make the X Window port for NeXT publicly
available on tape later this year.  MIT will monitor bug reports and
make changes to the code as necessary.

NeXT has no plans to support MIT's port of X Window to its machine,
according to Silverman.  The project was primarily for MIT's internal
use, but, as is customary, MIT releases its programs for public use.
(end excerpt)

This really doesn't clear much up; but I thought it might be interesting
to some.
-Brent




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paul@cscnj.csc.COM (Paul Moody) (02/13/90)

We actually saw X 'almost' run on a cube yesterday. My understanding 
was that it should be here Real Soon.

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mikes@sir-alan.UUCP (Mike Squires) (02/15/90)

According to the current issue of MIPS magazine X11 for the NeXT is available 
via anonymous ftp from MIT.  The article (about a paragraph long) did not
mention any specific host.  I don't have ftp access here (or a NeXT for
that matter).

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