g2k@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Frederic Giacometti) (02/23/90)
Stop IBM pollution. I think that most of us know what to expect from them. To remain within the workstation market, everybody rememebers how they pushed their PS's and OS/2. Their marketing policy is well-known: We raise prices 150% on every product, then we give a personal rebate of 50% to everybody. Of course, once you started dealing with us, you are free as long as you don't go anywhere else. Well, a few days ago, some fellow sent an aggressive message "IBM kills NeXT". I hope this guy is only naive, and does not have connections with IBM. An IBM employee (most of them were brainwashed, they are easy to recognize: they wear the same suits and speak the same IBM labelled language) has the duty to publicize his company. One of my ex professor of computer science was the scientific director of IBM France, good deal for IBM, courses were of the sort "the IBM point of view is ...", "Unix ? C'est quoi ca ? a program for computer game ?", or "10 exp 32 man year where invested in the construction of VM/CMS, it is the most fantastic work mankind ever thought of" etc... Everybody who has been in contact with them has had a similar impression. IBM has the most skillfull marketing services, and the best trained salesmen of the industry. The letter referred above is one more example of the quality of their "poudre aux yeux". Let's not send letter of the sort "my palmolive soap computes whiter than the colgate one"; therefore, although it is 60% more expensive, and that you must buy the package separately (price undefined of course), my product kills yours. Let's leave this type of argument to cleansing product advertisements industry. It is a good idea to discuss about the new IBM workstation, but let us do so on serious material, released by a non-IBM source. Let's make clear than IBM info on their product should not be relied on (the only info from IBM is on their product: every IBM employee has signed an agreement where it is specified that non IBM products should never be specified; the best attitude, other do not exist), not to speak about a demo made by their people. Let all this be partial. Frederic
jd3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jean-Marc Debaud) (02/24/90)
> Well, a few days ago, some fellow sent an aggressive message "IBM kills NeXT". >I hope this guy is only naive, and does not have connections with IBM. An IBM >employee (most of them were brainwashed, they are easy to recognize: they wear >the same suits and speak the same IBM labelled language) has the duty to publicize >his company. Frederic, I am the guy who posted the article on IBM kills NeXT. I you had read the article thoughtfully you would have seen : JM DEBAUD Carnegie Mellon U. I furthermore specified that I was an ex-NeXT lover (Apple too). Remember as you say IBM has some of the most intelligent and best trainded scientists and marketers. Only stupid people can't change. Their machine incorporate a lot of new things as well as industry standards which were NOT developed by IBM. Why can't we give them credit ? Just because it is IBM ? Foolish. You mentioned their price too. Please get the facts. They are really cheap for what they offer. Others have yet to match that. Unix ? Well it seems that with AIX -3 they have made significant efforts. Hope not to be too blunt (not my intention). Jean-Marc (Just a student...) Carnegie Mellon jd3l+@andrew.cmu.edu
cortesi@infmx.UUCP (David Cortesi) (02/24/90)
In article <7764@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> g2k@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Frederic Giacometti) flames: > > Stop IBM pollution... [and a great deal of flaming omitted] I have no idea which workstation offers better value for money, though I expect that rational, factual postings to this forum will help make that clear. But the following statement by M. Giacometti is simply a lie: >Let's make clear than IBM info on their >product should not be relied on (the only info from IBM is on their product: >every IBM employee has signed an agreement where it is specified that non IBM >products should never be specified... There is no such agreement. No IBM employee anywhere in the world was ever told any such thing. Such a requirement would be illegal in the US, and would be profoundly contrary to IBM's corporate policy of "respect for the individual" wherever IBM does business. No such censorship was applied during the years I was employed by IBM in the US and in Europe, and I know from talking to current IBM employees that no such policy has been introduced in the decade since I left. /////// / David Cortesi /////// cortesi@infmx.uu.net ////// ////// // // Science increases our // //// / /// Informix Software // power in proportion as // /// / //// 4100 Bohannon Drive // it lowers our pride. // // / ///// Menlo Park, CA 94025 // -- Claude Bernard // / //////// (415) 926-6300 //// ...pyramid!infmx!cortesi /////