[comp.sys.next] Sound

dh2o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David M. Hungerford, III) (10/31/88)

How many different channels (or whatever) of sound can the NeXT handle?  I can
remember using Master Composer on the Commedy 64 and thinking that 3 is not
enough.

 M.

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iansmith@kong.gatech.edu (Ian Smith) (03/22/90)

In article <404@toaster.SFSU.EDU> stan@toaster.SFSU.EDU (Stan Osborne) writes:
>              o Sound Support not provided in other NeXTStep environments
>
>                Many of  the  NeXTStep  based  applications  demonstrated
>                today  will  not  run  on the base configurations for the
>                newly announced IBM workstations.  The base  IBM  systems
>                do not have support for sound.

I'm afraid that I don't understand this point.  
Sound on workstations is a long way from being standardized.  Until there is
such a standard we will all have to just use sound programs specific to our
architechture. I will speculate, however, that if someone produces a sound
server that will run under X, and its good enough, it will become the defacto
standard. Sun may be attempting to do this with is /dev/audio implementation on
the Sparcstation, but its a long way from doing the whole job. Rumours are that
several others are attempting to the same...  If they do, and you run XNeXT
(or a similar product for the new IBMs) all these problems are solved.

				Ian Smith     
			   iansmith@warhol.gatech.edu 
	Multimedia Lab of the Software Engineering Research Center

eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) (03/22/90)

In article <7344@hydra.gatech.EDU> iansmith@warhol.gatech.edu
	(Ian Smith) writes:
>Sound on workstations is a long way from being standardized.  Until there is
>such a standard we will all have to just use sound programs specific to our
>architechture.

>          Sun may be attempting to do this with is /dev/audio implementation on
>the Sparcstation, but its a long way from doing the whole job.

Take your SPARCstation audio file and incant

sndconvert -o nextified.snd -f 1 -s 8012.8210513 -c 1 -r sun-sound

All this does it put a descriptive header on it.  It does not
change the data itself.  Surprise!  They're binary compatible!
(If you don't believe me, take a NeXT voice file and copy it to
/dev/audio on a SPARCstation 1.  It will be clearly intelligible,
except for a little garbage at the beginning.)  OK, we're only
talking about telephone-quality audio, but already you've got the
makings of a de facto standard.

Now--who's going to volunteer to produce a mail program for the
SPARCstation 1 that is interoperable with NeXT Mail?  (It doesn't
have to look the same onscreen (it can look just like mailtool
for all I care), it just has to be network-compatible).

The reality is that we have both NeXTs and SPARCstations, we will
continue to have both, and we want them to work together to the
maximum extent possible.

					-=EPS=-

garton@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Bradford Garton) (03/22/90)

In article <412@toaster.SFSU.EDU> eps@cs.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes:
>
>Take your SPARCstation audio file and incant
>
>sndconvert -o nextified.snd -f 1 -s 8012.8210513 -c 1 -r sun-sound
>
> [...] OK, we're only
>talking about telephone-quality audio

For some reason, this point always seems lost when comparing NeXT with
computers X, Y or Z.  I think Sun really missed the boat when they decided
to go with an 8-bit/8k audio device.  No other machine that I know of can
come close to providing the integrated *high quality* audio software and
hardware that NeXT for anywhere near the price.  Yes I know there are
reasonably-priced DSP and audio cards for Macs, Amigas, PCs, etc., but can I
run cmix and csound on them with minimal pain?  Is there any MusicKit or
SoundKit equivalent?  Inexpensive removable media for the large storage
required for serious sound work? Blah blah blah...

We get soooo critical about how displays look, etc. but are willing to live
with sound quality that is poor at best.  I'm hoping that this will change
when "multi-media" systems (or whatever the current buzzword is) become more
commonplace.  May the best sound win!

Of course, I'm probably just a little prejudiced in this respect...

Brad Garton
Music Department -- Columbia University
brad@woof.columbia.edu

keith@prism.gatech.EDU (Keith Edwards) (03/23/90)

In article <412@toaster.SFSU.EDU> eps@cs.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes:
>Now--who's going to volunteer to produce a mail program for the
>SPARCstation 1 that is interoperable with NeXT Mail?  (It doesn't
>have to look the same onscreen (it can look just like mailtool
>for all I care), it just has to be network-compatible).
>					-=EPS=-

We're already working on it.  (Just thought I'd let this out in case anyone
else is working or contemplating working on the same thing.)  I'll post more
details as the time draws near...

Cheers,
Keith


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