flink@umcp-cs.UUCP (Paul V. Torek) (08/23/85)
Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! Well, I'm not gonna take it any more! I propose the following solution to the problem: whenever you see obnoxiously bright lights staring you in the face, turn on your high beams. Sure it's obnoxious, but they're doing it to you; and if enough people join in this crusade, halogens will disappear (except for drivers who are sadistic AND masochistic). Of course, this should only be done when the Enemy is alone; it wouldn't quite be fair to blind noncombatants. (Far away noncombatants, however, will only be affected mildly; whereas the crusade to ban halogens will spare them untold future suffering imposed by the Enemy.) This guerilla warfare program also applies, of course, to mis-aimed headlights, and does not apply to any halogens that might somehow be aimed in a non-offensive way (but I doubt that's possible).
saltiel@cdstar.UUCP (Jack Saltiel) (08/23/85)
In article <1343@umcp-cs.UUCP>, flink@umcp-cs.UUCP (Paul V. Torek) writes: > Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful > purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! Well, > I'm not gonna take it any more! > Halogen headlights are used throught Europe and have been for many years. They are preferred by drivers due to the excellent night visibility they provide. However, in this country there is a major problem with them. The problem is simple: incompetent installations. MOST headlights are not aimed properly. Since most state inspections are a joke, they don't get corrected when they should. In addition, four way adjustable replacable bulb halogen lamps and illegal here. They make headlight adjustment a snap. (BTW: the reason they're illegal is because early automakers made headlights in every conceivable shape. Replacement parts were impossible to find, and many people went without. So, as a result, the gov't has said that automakers, of which there are now but a few, can only use DOT approved headlight designs. That's the same agency that believed that having a speedometer stop at 85MPH would slow drivers down.) -- Jack Saltiel Cambridge Digital Systems {wjh12,talcott}!cdstar!saltiel "Nailed retreads to my feet and prayed for better weather."
daw1@rduxb.UUCP (WILLIAMS) (08/25/85)
> Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful > purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! Well, > I'm not gonna take it any more! > > I propose the following solution to the problem: whenever you see > obnoxiously bright lights staring you in the face, turn on your high > beams. I sure have fun with guys like you! Despite the fact my head- lights are perfectly aligned, some people think that my halogens on low beam are regulars on high beam. So when they give a blink so I turn 'em down and I give a courtesy flash in return to let them know I DON'T have my high beams on and they still try to blind me, look out! I put those suckers on high and fix their ass! They probably see spots for days. :-) Seriously though, a lot af people have terribly misaligned lights and it is truly a problem. It's so hard to fix, turning those couple of adjustment screws on each light! Doug Williams AT&T Bell Labs Reading, PA mhuxt!rduxb!daw1
edward@ukecc.UUCP (Edward C. Bennett) (08/25/85)
In article <1343@umcp-cs.UUCP>, flink@umcp-cs.UUCP (Paul V. Torek) writes: > Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful > purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! Well, > I'm not gonna take it any more! > QI (Quartz Iodine)/Halogen headlamp offer increased candlepower which results in a better illuminated driving surface. This increase in light output brings with it certain problems however. Engineers must design the fluting of the lens with increased care to be sure that all that light goes where it is supposed to. This also induces a responsibility in the owner to have his/her headlamps aimed properly. I resent your accusation that drivers use the lamps in a sadistic manner. In my 24 years, I have known many drivers (through S.C.C.A and P.C.A.) who took driving as a serious responsibility and who had equipped their cars with devices to make driving safer. One of the most frequent additions were QI headlamps for better night visibility. > I propose the following solution to the problem: whenever you see > obnoxiously bright lights staring you in the face, turn on your high > beams. Sure it's obnoxious, but they're doing it to you; and if enough > people join in this crusade, halogens will disappear (except for drivers > who are sadistic AND masochistic). Of course, this should only be done > when the Enemy is alone; it wouldn't quite be fair to blind > noncombatants. (Far away noncombatants, however, will only be affected > mildly; whereas the crusade to ban halogens will spare them untold > future suffering imposed by the Enemy.) > This is exactly the kind of 'two can play at that game' childish attitude that I would expect from an ignorant asshole like yourself. In a situation where you are blinded by the opposing car's lights, the best alternative is to simply look down to the right side of the road. This will alleviate you from looking into the lights while still maintaining you perspective of where the road is. If you feel you must do something else, a QUICK flash of your highbeams will usually alert the other driver of his oversight. Above all, DO NOT make the situation worse by blinding him also. Two cars approaching each other when neither driver can see is a dangerous situation. > This guerilla warfare program also applies, of course, to mis-aimed > headlights, and does not apply to any halogens that might somehow be > aimed in a non-offensive way (but I doubt that's possible). Unfortunately, not much can be done to eliminate ignorance. When I'm out at night, I'm appaled by the number of cars with mis- adjusted headlamps. A mis-aimed sealed beam lamp is just as hazardous as a mis-aimed QI lamp. Yours for safer driving, (Buckle up!) -- Edward C. Bennett UUCP: ihnp4!cbosgd!ukma!ukecc!edward /* A charter member of the Scooter bunch */
res@ihlpl.UUCP (Rich Strebendt @ AT&T Information Systems - Indian Hill West; formerly) (08/26/85)
> Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful > purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! # ### ### # # # # ###### # # ### ### # # ## ## # ## # ### ### # # # ## # ##### # # # # # ####### # # # # # # # # # # # # ## ### ### # # # # ###### # # ### ### There is no reason (other than a desire to be a public SOB) for a driver to equip his car with headlights that destroy the night vision of any driver who has the misfortune to encounter him. There are laws covering the use and misuse of ordinary high beams -- there should be comparable laws governing the misuse of Halogen headlights. In fact, I would favor the complete BANNING of these nuisances. > I propose the following solution to the problem: whenever you see > obnoxiously bright lights staring you in the face, turn on your high > beams. I usually do that, but anyone dumb enought to use the damned things is apparently too dumb to get the hint. Ususally all they do is turn on their high beams and demonstrate their canine ancestry. > Sure it's obnoxious, but they're doing it to you; and if enough > people join in this crusade, halogens will disappear (except for drivers > who are sadistic AND masochistic). I don't think that the reason you use here is very strong. Rather, you should blink your highbeams some distance away to request that the halogens be turned off. If they are not, then turn your high beams back on to express your displeasure. If the oncoming driver turns his highbeams on, then lean on your horn until he passes to alert the world to the A-hole you have encountered. If enough people express their displeasure, perhaps SOME of the Halogen abusers will reform. Unfortunately, you have to be a sadistic SOB to equip your car with the things, so do not expect too much progress. > This guerilla warfare program also applies, of course, to mis-aimed > headlights, and does not apply to any halogens that might somehow be > aimed in a non-offensive way (but I doubt that's possible). I agree. Rich Strebendt ...!ihnp4!iwsl6!res
nrh@lzwi.UUCP (N.R.HASLOCK) (08/26/85)
> > Halogen headlights are obnoxious! > > > > I propose the following solution to the problem: whenever you see > > obnoxiously bright lights staring you in the face, turn on your high > > beams. b> > I sure have fun with guys like you! Despite the fact my head- > lights are perfectly aligned, some people think that my halogens on > low beam are regulars on high beam. > > Seriously though, a lot af people have terribly misaligned > lights and it is truly a problem. It's so hard to fix, turning > those couple of adjustment screws on each light! > > Doug Williams Oh goody. A chance for me to scream. I know it was silly of me, but a few months back I bought a Fiat X1/9 to use for my 13 mile commute. In daylight this is wonderful, in the dark it is a nightmare. My high beam lets me see all of 20 yds in front of the car which is real handy at speeds over 20mph. I can live with that because I know the road but it aint safe. What is worse is the incredible number of fools who don't know how to switch off their high beams. It is really nice to see a shadow of your car cast into the area of the illuminated by your own high beams. Then to add to the blinding pain from your mirrors, you are blinded by the light of oncoming traffic. Can you say 'driving blind'. By contrast, consider European headlights. 90% of all European cars, in Europe, have Halogen headlights. All of these cast a shaped beam when dim. Highs are the same high wide beam. (- ( - ( - ( - +---------+ ( | auto | ( +---------+ ( .-' (.-' Next time I can spare the cash, I will convert to Halogen lights but I really would like to see better design applied to auto engineering in this land. A related complaint. I find that 99% of all street lighting is worse the useless and I could wish for better controls over advertising lighting near highways. There is a gas station on 527 near my home which has a floodlight pointing so that the edge of its beam hits southbound drivers eyes. ( Bitch, bitch, moan, grumble, moan, bitch ) -- -- {ihnp4|vax135|allegra}!lznv!nrh Nigel The Mad Englishman or The Madly Maundering Mumbler in the Wildernesses Everything you have read here is a figment of your imagination. Noone else in the universe currently subscribes to these opinions. "Its the rope, you know. You can't get it, you know."
js2j@mhuxt.UUCP (sonntag) (08/26/85)
> > Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful > > purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! Well, > > I'm not gonna take it any more! > > > > I propose the following solution to the problem: whenever you see > > obnoxiously bright lights staring you in the face, turn on your high > > beams. > > I sure have fun with guys like you! Despite the fact my head- > lights are perfectly aligned, some people think that my halogens on > low beam are regulars on high beam. Maybe because they blind them just as much as regulars on high beams do? > So when they give a blink so I > turn 'em down and I give a courtesy flash in return to let them > know I DON'T have my high beams on and they still try to blind me, look > out! I put those suckers on high and fix their ass! They probably see > spots for days. :-) I'm sure they're very impressed that you're macho enough to risk blinding oncoming drivers. What do you do for an encore? Turn them off completely? > Doug Williams -- Jeff Sonntag ihnp4!mhuxt!js2j "Roads? Where we're going, we won't need any roads!"
daw1@rduxb.UUCP (WILLIAMS) (08/26/85)
> > Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful > > purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! > There is no reason (other than a desire to be a public SOB) for a driver > to equip his car with headlights that destroy the night vision of any > driver who has the misfortune to encounter him. There are laws > covering the use and misuse of ordinary high beams -- there should be > comparable laws governing the misuse of Halogen headlights. In fact, I > would favor the complete BANNING of these nuisances. Apparently you run across a lot of misaligned headlights. You probably pass a lot of halogens that are correctly aligned and don't know that they are halogens. If correctly aligned, halogens are not a problem. Misaligned non-halogens are a problem, too. Doug Williams AT&T Bell Labs Reading, PA mhuxt!rduxb!daw1
daw1@rduxb.UUCP (WILLIAMS) (08/26/85)
> > So when they give a blink so I > > turn 'em down and I give a courtesy flash in return to let them > > know I DON'T have my high beams on and they still try to blind me, look > > out! I put those suckers on high and fix their ass! They probably see > > spots for days. :-) > > I'm sure they're very impressed that you're macho enough to risk > blinding oncoming drivers. What do you do for an encore? Turn them > off completely? > > Doug Williams > -- > Jeff Sonntag You've probably seen this symbol before :-) It's a smiley face so someone doesn't take something seriously that was intended to be funny. Well you blew it on this one dipstick! To answer your question: I pull out my pistol and shoot out their damn lights for an encore. You know, it's the one I keep in my console to shoot at 55MPH signs along the interstate. :-) ^ | Jeff Sonntag please note ___| Doug Williams AT&T Bell Labs Reading, PA mhuxt!rduxb!daw1
warren@ihnss.UUCP (Warren Montgomery) (08/26/85)
The trouble isn't obnoxious headlights, it's obnoxious people. Properly installed, Hallogen headlights offer much better visibility and no extra discomfort for oncoming traffic. As has already been noted, nobody seems to adjust their lights properly. (In fact adjustment seems to be virtually impossible on many cars). What's worse, though, is the number of people who mount auxiliary hallogen fog lights or head lights dangling from their bumpers, where they are so low it is impossible to adjust them properly, and they bounce and wiggle with every bump. Actually, though, if I were to campaign for elimination of one hazard in this area it would be to lower the lights on trucks and 4WD vehicles. I get very tired of getting blinded every time one pulls up behind me. -- Warren Montgomery ihnss!warren IH ((312)-979) x2494
vch@rruxo.UUCP (Kerro Panille) (08/26/85)
>Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful >purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! Well, >I'm not gonna take it any more! > >I propose the following solution to the problem: whenever you see >obnoxiously bright lights staring you in the face, turn on your high >beams. Sure it's obnoxious, but they're doing it to you; and if enough >people join in this crusade, halogens will disappear (except for drivers >who are sadistic AND masochistic). Of course, this should only be done >when the Enemy is alone; it wouldn't quite be fair to blind >noncombatants. (Far away noncombatants, however, will only be affected >mildly; whereas the crusade to ban halogens will spare them untold >future suffering imposed by the Enemy.) > >This guerilla warfare program also applies, of course, to mis-aimed Oh yeah, sure. What about those of us who own NEW cars??? My new car happened to come with Halogen headlights. What do you want me to do, replace them??? I'll tell you what - everybody who reads this should send you their name and address, make, model and year car, and YOU can replace their headlights for them!! (I have a 1985 Mercury Lynx, and you can send the replacements to 444 Hoes Lane, Piscataway, NJ 08854) By the way - my car has a nice little feature - the lights can be flashed on by pulling the turn indicator arm. The resulting flash is at least *five times* as bright as the high beams. So, when I have obnoxious people like you flash their dull yellow lights at me - I REALLY give it to 'em!!! headlights at me, I have a nasty little -- Vince Hatem +----------------------------------------+ Bell Communications Research !"..., isn't that right, Daniel?" ! Raritan River Software Systems Center ! "When you get that look on your face, ! 444 Hoes Lane ! Marty, I go prune my roses." ! 4D-360 ! -Frank Herbert ! Piscatway, NJ 08854 ! Chapterhouse: Dune ! (201) 699-4869 ! pg 459 ! ...ihnp4!rruxo!vch +----------------------------------------+
john@moncol.UUCP (John Ruschmeyer) (08/27/85)
]From: daw1@rduxb.UUCP (WILLIAMS) ]Message-ID: <648@rduxb.UUCP> ]Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Reading, PA ] ] Seriously though, a lot af people have terribly misaligned ]lights and it is truly a problem. It's so hard to fix, turning ]those couple of adjustment screws on each light! It may be easy to align lights, but it's also equally easy (if not easier) to further misalign lights. I, for one, am slightly afraid to replace a burned-out light for fear of misaligning it. Since it seems to be needed, could some kind soul post directions for aligning headlights without all the fancy equipment. -- Name: John Ruschmeyer US Mail: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ 07764 Phone: (201) 222-6600 x366 UUCP: ...!vax135!petsd!moncol!john ...!princeton!moncol!john ...!pesnta!moncol!john Disclaimer: Monmouth College is a mecca for diverse opinions. It is, therefore, highly unlikely that the above opinions are those of anyone but me. Silly quote: Son, you're mixing ponderables again...
burden@cheers.DEC (Dave Burden - ZKO2-2/Q21 - 381-2559) (08/27/85)
May I offer a slight correction on the reason Q-H replaceable-bulb lights are illegal in the US. After WWII the European countries made great strides in improving their headlights, mainly, Q-H replaceable bulbs. The American makers of headlights only made sealed beams. When the government got a bunch of 'experts' together to look at the European Q-H alternative they decided that the sealed beams were better. Guess which compaines the 'experts' came from? Needless to say it wasn't the fairest of decisions. The NHTSA has since not allowed replaceable bulb headlights to be legal in the US. Looking at the way the NHTSA is *supposed* to work, they are allowed to make performance rulings, they could say no bulbs over 55 watts but they aren't supposed to set design standards which is what they've done by saying replaceable bulb headlights are illegal. Luckily the state of headlights in the US are getting better. Most new cars have halogen seal beams, at least as options and Cibie has come up with the sealed beam replaceable bulb headlight. Now to my original reason for responding. I happen to have replaceable bulb non-sealed beam headlights on my car, 90-100 bulbs to boot. They are aimed correctly but I still get some people who flash their high beams at me. No problem, flash mine back. They put theirs on, I flip mine on, then turn on my 100 watt driving lights and maybe my 100 watt pencil beams if I feel real mad. I also carry my sunglasses in case they come back with more.. :-) Dave Burden decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-cheers!burden 42 42' 48.8'' N 71 27' 23.7'' W [insert normal disclaimer here]
gritz@homxa.UUCP (R.SHARPLES) (08/27/85)
>From: res@ihlpl.UUCP (Rich Strebendt @ AT&T Information Systems - Indian Hill West; formerly) >> Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful >> purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! > > # ### ### > # # # # ###### # # ### ### > # # ## ## # ## # ### ### > # # # ## # ##### # # # # # > ####### # # # # # # > # # # # # # ## ### ### > # # # # ###### # # ### ### > >There is no reason (other than a desire to be a public SOB) for a driver >to equip his car with headlights that destroy the night vision of any >driver who has the misfortune to encounter him. There are laws >covering the use and misuse of ordinary high beams -- there should be >comparable laws governing the misuse of Halogen headlights. In fact, I >would favor the complete BANNING of these nuisances. > Properly aimed halogen headlights spill LESS light into the eyes of on-comming drivers. Halogen lights have a very sharp cut-off in their beam pattern that allows them to brilliantly illuminate the ground in front of your car but provide hardly any light much above the grill level of an on-comming car. On high-beam, of course, it's a different matter. About the only way to tell if an on-comming car with properly aimed lights has halogens or regular lights is that the halogens are bright white in the lower half of the lens and the upper half of the lens looks as if it is in shadow. Regular lights are noticeably yellow and the entire lens is illuminated. These of course are subtle differences that an IDIOT CRETIN such as your self would not notice. You probably could not tell if the headlight blinding you was a halogen or not, best you can figure out is that it is misaimed. If by chance you and your cretinous supporters are referring to halogen DRIVING lights (accessory single beam lights that usually mount above or below the bumper and produce "pencil" beams) you are correct that use of these on approaching traffic is obnoxious. I personally believe that these should be keyed with the high beams and have a separate power switch so they can be turned off completely. Interestingly enough, most states require that these NOT be keyed with the highbeams and simply have an on-off switch. Under this scheme people sometimes leave them on with their lowbeams, totally inappropriate. Obviously, state law makers share your degree of technical knowledge and sophistication. Russ Sharples homxa!gritz
eli@cvl.UUCP (Eli Liang) (08/27/85)
> Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful > purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! Well, > I'm not gonna take it any more! > > I propose the following solution to the problem: whenever you see > obnoxiously bright lights staring you in the face, turn on your high > beams. Sure it's obnoxious, but they're doing it to you; and if enough > people join in this crusade, halogens will disappear (except for drivers > who are sadistic AND masochistic). Of course, this should only be done > when the Enemy is alone; it wouldn't quite be fair to blind > noncombatants. (Far away noncombatants, however, will only be affected > mildly; whereas the crusade to ban halogens will spare them untold > future suffering imposed by the Enemy.) > > This guerilla warfare program also applies, of course, to mis-aimed > headlights, and does not apply to any halogens that might somehow be > aimed in a non-offensive way (but I doubt that's possible). Certain halogens are legal when adjusted as specified by the Motor Vehicle Codes. If I had halogen headlights legally adjusted and I was driving down the road with my halogen "LOW" beams on and some *OBNOXIOUS* twerp zapped me with his "HIGH" beams as "punishment," I'd f*ck him right back with my HALOGEN high beams. I can play chicken as well as the next guy, better in fact. Viligante tactics often backfire. -eli -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eli Liang --- University of Maryland Computer Vision Lab, (301) 454-4526 ARPA: liang@cvl, liang@lemuria, eli@mit-mc, eli@mit-prep CSNET: liang@cvl UUCP: {seismo,allegra,brl-bmd}!umcp-cs!cvl!liang
gail@calmasd.UUCP (Gail B. Hanrahan) (08/27/85)
I have *very* carefully adjusted my headlights to conform to the
vehicle code. I know that the headlights are not pointed too
high, yet I am constantly having people flash their high beams
at me. Some jerks just leave their high beams on until they
pass me.
This really disturbs me when it happens. My grandfather was
killed in a car accident because someone left their high beams
on and blinded him, causing him to miss a curve in the road
and hit a wall.
People, revenge with your high beams is stupid and childish.
How will you feel if you cause someone to be killed because
they forgot and left their high beams on, and you zap them
with yours? Zapping people with your high beams makes you
no better than they are.
--
Gail Bayley Hanrahan
Calma Company, San Diego
{ihnp4,decvax,ucbvax}!sdcsvax!calmasd!gailbobk@labjss.UUCP (bobk) (08/28/85)
> ... In addition, four way adjustable replacable bulb halogen > lamps and illegal here. They make headlight adjustment a snap. > (BTW: the reason they're illegal is because early automakers made > headlights in every conceivable shape. Replacement parts were > impossible to find, and many people went without. So, as a result, > the gov't has said that automakers, of which there are now but a > few, can only use DOT approved headlight designs. ... > Jack Saltiel I think the restrictions on these type of headlights (the European style) have been lifted (at least in Washington -- the state). I've seen new Jetta's and Subaru's with this style of headlight, with the H-4 halogen bulb visible inside if you look close enough. I have Cibie Bobi 7" rounds on my truck and find them very superior to regular headlights (these also use H-4 bulbs). They have such a sharp horizontal cutoff which makes aiming very important. Just a little high and everyone, I mean everyone flashes me. This is a real problem when I'm carrying a load in the truck. Maybe an automatic aimer (didn't the early 70's Crysler cars have these) could be perfected to eliminate this problem? Bob Kunz hplsla!bobk
tw8023@pyuxii.UUCP (T Wheeler) (08/28/85)
The obvious reason for folks using Halogen lights is to be able to go faster at night. Normal headlights have a pattern which allows one to see a proper distance at normal speeds. The use of Halogen lights increases the pattern allowing one to go faster, i.e. immproper speeds. Halogen apologists know, deep in their hearts, that speed is the only reason for their use. No matter what the alignment of the beams is, Halogens tend to blind the oncoming motorist. Given someone with a slight case of night blindness (something close to 50% of all motorists) this can be a real problem. Given that the alignment of headlights can change drastically when your Mother-in-law plops into the back seat, this can be dangerous to other motorists. Given that 98% of those with Halogen lights are twanks and don't give a damn about other drivers, everyone else on the road is in trouble. As for those damn extra lights hanging off the bumper, they should be popped with a ball pean hammer. I have never seen a pair which were aligned properly. They usually point up into the rear view mirror. All you folks defending Halogen lights should have them shoved up where the sun don't shine. T. C. Wheeler
vch@rruxo.UUCP (Kerro Panille) (08/28/85)
>] Seriously though, a lot af people have terribly misaligned >]lights and it is truly a problem. It's so hard to fix, turning >]those couple of adjustment screws on each light! > >It may be easy to align lights, but it's also equally easy (if not easier) >to further misalign lights. I, for one, am slightly afraid to replace a >burned-out light for fear of misaligning it. > >Since it seems to be needed, could some kind soul post directions for >aligning headlights without all the fancy equipment. >Name: John Ruschmeyer On most american cars, the alignment of the headlights is on the mounting. ie.: you can replace a headlight without re-adjusting it. The mounting has the adjustment screws on it, and the headlight is held into the mounting by a small band around the outside edge (usually). When you adjust the headlight, you are actually moving the mounting. -- Vince Hatem +----------------------------------------+ Bell Communications Research !"..., isn't that right, Daniel?" ! Raritan River Software Systems Center ! "When you get that look on your face, ! 444 Hoes Lane ! Marty, I go prune my roses." ! 4D-360 ! -Frank Herbert ! Piscatway, NJ 08854 ! Chapterhouse: Dune ! (201) 699-4869 ! pg 459 ! ...ihnp4!rruxo!vch +----------------------------------------+
jjd@bbncc5.UUCP (James J. Dempsey) (08/28/85)
For anyone who thinks that halogen headlights should be illegal,
it is interesting to note that almost all police vehicles are
fitted with halogen headlights.
--Jim Dempsey--
USENET: ..!{decvax, linus, ihpn4, ima}!bbncca!jjd
ARPANET: jjd@BBN-UNIXwmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) (08/28/85)
What the participants in this discussion seem to have forgotten is that roads are not level. If everyone was driving on a perfectly level plain, properly adjusted headlights, of whatever flavor, would never bother the other drivers. However, roads are NOT level. People come over hills, around curves. This means that even properly adjusted headlights will, at some times, in some circumstances, shine into others' eyes. Therefore, they should be dim enough that when this inevitably happens, they do not bother or annoy the other driver, nor damage his/her night vision. If this means that it is less safe than having very bright lights that show you the road for much farther ahead (or light up the surroundings), that is a price you must pay. It is better for you to suffer the effects of limited vision, even if that means you die in an accident, than for you to annoy or bother someone else. This also applies to pedestrians -- it is better that you suffer any ill effect than that you bother or annoy a pedestrian by shining bright light in their eyes. This seem harsh or cruel? Tough. Nobody is forcing you to drive.
daw1@rduxb.UUCP (WILLIAMS) (08/29/85)
> ... I have never seen a pair which were > aligned properly. They usually point up into the > rear view mirror. All you folks defending Halogen > lights should have them shoved up where the sun > don't shine. > T. C. Wheeler If I recall correctly, you're one of the "55 enforcers" who won't move out of the passing lane until it's safe. Well no wonder you only see lights shining in your stinkin' rear view mirror mirror! :-) Here's my solution to bright lights in the rear view: Drop down one gear, kick in the four barrel and watch those lights fade to nothing. Just as bad as the "mother-in-law in the rear seat with the headlights pointing to heaven" problem you pointed out are the bozos with their air shocks pumped-up to 125 lbs./in**2 and the lights only illuminating 10 feet in front of the car. And these are the guys usually driving some clapped-out old piece of shit that probably can't stop worth a crap anyway. So, I still say properly aligned lights are OK. The people with misaligned lights should have 'em shoved. And all 55mph signs should be recycled into radar detectors, too! Hah. Doug Williams AT&T Bell Labs Reading, PA mhuxt!rduxb!daw1
pz@emacs.uucp (Paul Czarnecki) (08/29/85)
In article <4700006@labjss.UUCP> bobk@labjss.UUCP (bobk) writes: >I think the restrictions on these type of headlights (the European >style) have been lifted (at least in Washington -- the state). I've been told by a mail order auto parts store that European Code lights are legal in Washington (state), Oregon, and Massachusetts. I confirmed this for Mass by calling up the state troopers and asking them. >I have Cibie Bobi 7" rounds on my truck and find them very superior to >regular headlights (these also use H-4 bulbs). They have such a sharp >horizontal cutoff which makes aiming very important. Just a little high >and everyone, I mean everyone flashes me. I do have Cibie's (not the Bobi's) in our car. Yes, aiming is critical. They came with EXPLICIT instructions on how to do it but I don't have a flat area 25 feet long with a wall at one end. I just kept on lowering them until people stopped flashing me. I now keep a screwdriver in the car for that very purpose. >This is a real problem when I'm carrying a load in the truck. Maybe an >automatic aimer (didn't the early 70's Crysler cars have these) could >be perfected to eliminate this problem? Yes, I've set up the Omni for 2 people, if I have anymore they are too high. For a long trip I would re aim them. Maybe a cockpit adjustment? You could even put a microprocessor in it! :-) "I should have known better than to become a target albeit a target which moves. pZ -- Paul Czarnecki Uniworks decvax!{wanginst!infinet, cca}!emacs!pz 20 William Street emacs!pz@cca-unix.ARPA Wellesley, MA 02181 (617) 235-2600
vch@rruxo.UUCP (Kerro Panille) (08/29/85)
>The obvious reason for folks using Halogen lights is >to be able to go faster at night. Normal headlights >have a pattern which allows one to see a proper distance >at normal speeds. The use of Halogen lights increases >the pattern allowing one to go faster, i.e. immproper >speeds. Halogen apologists know, deep in their hearts, >that speed is the only reason for their use. No matter >what the alignment of the beams is, Halogens tend to >blind the oncoming motorist. Given someone with a slight >case of night blindness (something close to 50% of all....... > You must be kidding! Are you referring to Halogen auxiliary lights or headlights?? If you read my last posting on this subject, you know that my car came with Halogen headlights. It does not have auxiliary lights. I didn't buy the car for the headlights, and I like the Halogens because they give better night vision - therefore better SAFTEY. Think about it. If you can see better you are less likely to hit something. -- Vince Hatem ---------------- A Bell Communications Research | UZI |----------|_ _ _\/ T Raritan River Software Systems Center | |----------| /\ & 444 Hoes Lane ---------------- ROGER GUTS T 4D-360 / /\ DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' Piscataway, NJ 08854 / / TIES (201) 699-4869 /-----/ ...ihnp4!rruxo!vch TRUE GRIT MYSTERIES - The detective series for those who NEVER eat quiche! (WARNING - MAY BE EMOTIONALLY DISTURBING TO HAMSTER LOVERS)
punia@uvm-gen.UUCP (David T. Punia) (08/29/85)
Everyone has been ranting about the proper aiming of halogen headlights, and rightly so. A PROPERLY DESIGNED QI lamp when properly aimed, indeed will not throw much light into the eyes of oncoming drivers, unless they happen to be coming over the crest of a hill. I would doubt, however that all of the QI lights on the market qualify as properly designed, or maybe that should be properly executed. A high quality lens is very important to the sharpness of the beam shape and cutoff. Are there any standards that the after-market manufacturers have to meet? Are the DOT standards for QI's (are there any?) different than for ordinary lamps? It seems that the vendors of relampable units might pay a lot more attention to their lenses than the manufacturers of disposable sealed beam units. I had a pair of Cibies with re-lampable housings, and was always impressed with the sharpness of the cutoff. I'm not nearly as impressed with the GE sealed beam units I'm using now. Sure, GE has to make a product cheap enough to compete, but what are the tradeoffs? And then there are the lights you can get in any discount department store for $20 the pair. I suspect they're the ones that most people have the biggest problems with. Unless its got a good quality lens, no amount of aiming is going to prevent light from going where its not wanted. -- David T. Punia, Dept. of Computer Science & Electrical Engineering The University of Vermont, Burlington, VT 05405-0156 802-656-3330 USENET --> ....!decvax!dartvax!uvm-gen!punia CSNET ---> punia@uvm OTHERNETS ----> punia%uvm@csnet-relay
mzal@pegasus.UUCP (Mike Zaleski) (08/29/85)
Indented excerpts from: pyuxww!pyuxii!tw8023 (T.C. Wheeler) The obvious reason for folks using Halogen lights is to be able to go faster at night. Normal headlights have a pattern which allows one to see a proper distance at normal speeds. Although I suppose what "proper" and "normal" signifies may vary from person to person, my impression is that your "safe" speed increases from maybe 40 mph to 50 mph. Halogen apologists know, deep in their hearts, that speed is the only reason for their use. Actually, I really do like to see where I'm going - regardless of my speed. No matter what the alignment of the beams is, Halogens tend to blind the oncoming motorist. I've seen many complaints here on net.auto about this, but I have yet to have anyone flash their lights at me in annoyance over my halogens seeming excessively bright. Maybe my headlights are aligned correctly. Given that 98% of those with Halogen lights are twanks and don't give a damn about other drivers... As halogens become more common, there will probably be more and more people who have them and don't even know it. I wonder how these people would react to being called "twanks" (whatever that is). I also wonder why T.C. Wheeler, a strong advocate of the 55 limit, could take such offense to halogens. After all, the right to use them was handed to us by the same authority which gave us the 55 limit - which some net.auto readers seem to view as sacred writ. How can the sacred forces of the government ever be wrong? While I haven't checked too carefully, I also suspect that all of the halogen critics live in dense urban areas. For some of these people, it might come as a surprise that the vast amount of this country is wilderness - including New York and New Jersey. There is a very real chance that people who have equipped their cars with halogen lights did it so they could drive safely on the backroads of New Jersey or New York. -- "The Model Citizen" Mike^Z Zaleski@Rutgers [ allegra, ihnp4 ] pegasus!mzal
mff@wuphys.UUCP (Swamp Thing) (08/29/85)
In article <170@decwrl.UUCP> burden@cheers.DEC (Dave Burden - ZKO2-2/Q21 - 381-2559) writes: >Now to my original reason for responding. I happen to have replaceable bulb >non-sealed beam headlights on my car, 90-100 bulbs to boot. They are aimed >correctly but I still get some people who flash their high beams at me. Thanks for helping to dispell the arguement that correctly-aimed halogens are not to bright. Mark F. Flynn Department of Physics Washington University St. Louis, MO 63130 ihnp4!wuphys!mff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "There is no dark side of the moon, really. Matter of fact, it's all dark." P. Floyd
neal@weitek.UUCP (Neal Bedard) (08/29/85)
Rich Strebendt @ AT&T Information Systems seems to have written: > > There is no reason (other than a desire to be a public SOB) for a driver > to equip his car with headlights that destroy the night vision of any > driver who has the misfortune to encounter him. On newer cars the MANUFACTURER equips the car with quartz-hals, sometimes as standard equipment. > > obnoxiously bright lights staring you in the face, turn on your high > > beams. > > I usually do that, but anyone dumb enought to use the damned things is > apparently too dumb to get the hint. Ususally all they do is turn on > their high beams and demonstrate their canine ancestry. On a darkened road, about 5-10% of the oncoming people will flick highbeams at me thinking I have mine on. I *briefly* flash them with mine, and usually they resign themselves to coping with my headlights. Occasionally some pond scum will turn on his brights and keep them on, as if to prove some point. This accomplishes no purpose, of course. Quartz-hals improve night vision, and it's a good thing that they have DOT blessing now. I plan to keep mine. I find that the folks who seem to object to my lights have weak headlights on their cars, The contrast is too much for them to deal with (they think.) A side note: drinking drivers are sensitive to bright light, due to dialated pupils. They also have short tempers. This is why `guerrilla tactics' can prove so dangerous. If they want to blind you, gaze down the right side of the road and ride it out. One who has Quartz-hals should be especially careful to aim them properly. This is probably what gives these otherwise improved headlights a bad name. -Neal -- "whaddya mean there were bullet-holes in his mirror..." UUCP: {turtlevax, resonex, cae780}!weitek!neal
nrh@lzwi.UUCP (N.R.HASLOCK) (08/30/85)
In article <212@pyuxii.UUCP>, tw8023@pyuxii.UUCP (T Wheeler) writes: > The obvious reason for folks using Halogen lights is > to be able to go faster at night. Swill and other derogeratory exclamations. QH lamps output more lumens per watt. They are also capable(!!!) of placing the lumens in useful areas, i.e. the road surface, the sidewalks and the rare sensibly placed sign. If I could afford to fit some, I would be able to drive a legal speeds with some assurance that I could avoid road hazards, i.e. potholes, dead animals, live animals, pedestrians, cyclists and solid trash. As it stands, if I drive on low beam, i.e. legally required because of oncoming traffic, I am overdriving my lights at any speed over 25mph. > Normal headlights have a pattern which allows one to see a proper > distance at normal speeds. Swill etc. See above. > T. C. Wheeler QH lamps either save energy or are safer or both. Misalaigned lamps are a pain, nuisance are should be shot on sight. Vehicles whose angle of point are radically changed by adding normal loads should be junked or vaporized. Vehicles whose lamp mount point is above the mirror hight of any other vehicle should be banned from public roads after dark. Vehicles with misaligned lamps should have their lamps realigned by law at owners expense. Cost should include towing to shop for realignment. -- -- {ihnp4|vax135|allegra}!lznv!nrh Nigel The Mad Englishman or The Madly Maundering Mumbler in the Wildernesses Everything you have read here is a figment of your imagination. Noone else in the universe currently subscribes to these opinions. "Its the rope, you know. You can't get it, you know."
res@ihlpl.UUCP (Rich Strebendt @ AT&T Information Systems - Indian Hill West; formerly) (08/30/85)
Continuing a discussion: >>> Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful >>> purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! >> >> [ Amen, writ large ] >> >>There is no reason (other than a desire to be a public SOB) for a driver >>to equip his car with headlights that destroy the night vision of any >>driver who has the misfortune to encounter him. There are laws >>covering the use and misuse of ordinary high beams -- there should be >>comparable laws governing the misuse of Halogen headlights. In fact, I >>would favor the complete BANNING of these nuisances. >> > > Properly aimed halogen headlights spill LESS light into the eyes of on-comming > drivers. Halogen lights have a very sharp cut-off in their beam pattern that > allows them to brilliantly illuminate the ground in front of your car but > provide hardly any light much above the grill level of an on-comming car. This is true if the cars meet on a straight stretch of road. Consider the case of two cars on a curve, when the car on the outside of the curve is right in the beams of a Halogen-equipped car. Instant Blindness!!!. > About the only way to tell if an on-comming car with properly aimed lights > has halogens or regular lights is that the halogens are bright white in the > lower half of the lens and the upper half of the lens looks as if it is > in shadow. Regular lights are noticeably yellow and the entire lens is > illuminated. This is a good description of the outward appearance. > These of course are subtle differences that an IDIOT CRETIN > such as your self would not notice. You probably could not tell if the > headlight blinding you was a halogen or not, best you can figure out is > that it is misaimed. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. I was pleased with the high level of intelligence and maturity that this posting evinced, then I hit this passage. <sigh>. Since I am not stunted in stature nor suffering from a thyroid deficiency, it appears that you are attacking my mental abilities. Unfortunately, this contributes only heat to the discussion, not enlightenment. Which brings me back to the original discussion: > If by chance you and <derogatory reference> are referring to halogen > DRIVING lights (accessory single beam lights that usually mount above or > below the bumper and produce "pencil" beams) you are correct that use > of these on approaching traffic is obnoxious. I personally believe that > these should be keyed with the high beams and have a separate power switch > so they can be turned off completely. Interestingly enough, most states > require that these NOT be keyed with the highbeams and simply have an on-off > switch. Under this scheme people sometimes leave them on with their lowbeams, > totally inappropriate. I do find the add-on lights even worse than the factory-supplied units. I think that another viable alternative to the control schemes that you discuss above would be to make these lights (if they are not to be banned) an alternative to the normal lights. That is, set them up so that they are off if any other lights are in use, and so that the other lights are extinguished when these are turned on. This tends to alleviate the problem of encountering the vehicle which is projecting about 73 Mega Candlepower from a collection of 23 lights distributed around the nose of the vehicle (seen most often on pickup trucks which have been raised 23 feet above the ground). > Obviously, state law makers share your degree of > technical knowledge and sophistication. Alas, another cutting remark in an otherwise well stated and informative article! Rich Strebendt ...!ihnp4!iwsl6!res
debray@sbcs.UUCP (Saumya Debray) (08/30/85)
>> Halogen headlights are obnoxious! They serve virtually no useful >> purpose, except for sadists who enjoy blinding other drivers! > > I sure have fun with guys like you! Despite the fact my head- > lights are perfectly aligned, some people think that my halogens on > low beam are regulars on high beam. I think this just bears out the point the original poster was trying to make: if your "perfectly aligned" lights dazzle others to the point that they think your brights are on, maybe that says something, eh? -- Saumya Debray SUNY at Stony Brook uucp: {allegra, hocsd, philabs, ogcvax} !sbcs!debray arpa: debray%suny-sb.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa CSNet: debray@sbcs.csnet
rbp@investor.UUCP (Bob Peirce) (08/30/85)
Part of the problem is that the US lighting lobby effectively kept any-
thing other than their cheap sealed beams out of the country since they
wrote the legislation 40 years ago. Meantime, technology has moved ahead
and in other countries you have cut lenses instead of molded lenses, which
provide significantly greater control over light spill. In this country
Westinghouse/Sylvania/et all gave in to the extent of halogenizing their
old molded sealed beams which only agravates the problem they already had
with light control. If you want good lighting you should install good
lighting. Presently this means European lighting with separate bulbs
and lenses.
--
Bob Peirce, Pittsburgh, PA
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NOTE: Mail must be < 30K bytes/messagebjl@bridge2.UUCP (08/30/85)
> For anyone who thinks that halogen headlights should be illegal, > it is interesting to note that almost all police vehicles are > fitted with halogen headlights. > > --Jim Dempsey-- > USENET: ..!{decvax, linus, ihpn4, ima}!bbncca!jjd > ARPANET: jjd@BBN-UNIX Obviously, those complaining have never driven on a mountain road at 2:00AM thru the fog. Driving home to where I live, requires bright and/or fog lights, in that I am usually going thru the clouds and down again. Also, a rule of the road I drive is when someone flashes their brights behind you, they want you to move over. I drive a commuter road that is windy and mountainous and have rarely run across a commuter who does not use that rule. However, the tourists, now that is another story. They will go 20 mph on a road that commuters drive at 55 mph and will not move over even with brights left on, honked at, or whatever. And the road is too dangerous to pass on. shanti, bobbie (decwrl,sun) bridge2!bjl "Only those who risk are free" -- shanti, bobbie (dewrl, sun) bridge2!bjl Bridge Communications 1345 Shorebird Way Mt. View, CA (415) 969-4000 x267 to talk in person "Only the person who risks is free"
review@drutx.UUCP (MillhamBD) (08/30/85)
Anti-Halogen people, take a look at the lights on your new car. You may one of the very people that you are complaining about. -------------------------------------------- Brian Millham AT & T Information Systems Denver, Co. ...!inhp4!drutx!review
schley@mmm.UUCP (Steve Schley) (08/30/85)
In article <212@pyuxii.UUCP> tw8023@pyuxii.UUCP (T Wheeler) writes: >The obvious reason for folks using Halogen lights is >to be able to go faster at night. Normal headlights >have a pattern which allows one to see a proper distance >at normal speeds. The use of Halogen lights increases >the pattern allowing one to go faster, i.e. immproper >speeds. Halogen apologists know, deep in their hearts, >that speed is the only reason for their use. You haven't got the foggiest idea of what is deep in my heart. To the point, there is no "proper distance". My halogens illuminate the same area as non-halogens, but that area is better illuminated. Outside of this area, the beams fall off rapidly. >No matter >what the alignment of the beams is, Halogens tend to >blind the oncoming motorist. Bullshit. Aligned properly, they won't. Aligned improperly, all headlamps are blinding. It's not the kind of light, it's the alignment. >Given someone with a slight >case of night blindness (something close to 50% of all >motorists) this can be a real problem. Given that >the alignment of headlights can change drastically >when your Mother-in-law plops into the back seat, this >can be dangerous to other motorists. Right. See comment about alignment. >Given that 98% >of those with Halogen lights are twanks and don't >give a damn about other drivers, everyone else on the >road is in trouble. Isn't it nice to think you've found a scapegoat and ignorantly hang all your gripes on them? >As for those damn extra lights >hanging off the bumper, they should be popped with >a ball pean hammer. I have never seen a pair which were >aligned properly. They usually point up into the >rear view mirror. Finally, we agree on something. >All you folks defending Halogen >lights should have them shoved up where the sun >don't shine. OOOOOHH! Should I have turned them off first? >T. C. Wheeler -- Steve Schley ihnp4!mmm!schley
draughn@iitcs.UUCP (Mark Draughn) (08/31/85)
It seems to me that what we need is a return to the real purpose behind high-beams and Halogen lamps. Halogen lamps, driving lights, etc. should be used only when one would normally use high-beams. They could be flicked off in favor of low-power Halogens, or regular lamps when faced with oncoming traffic. The only problem is that it is hard to get very-low power Halogens, or to mix Halogen and regular lamps - especially on single-lamp arrangements.
john@gcc-bill.ARPA (John Allred) (09/02/85)
In article <363@wuphys.UUCP> mff@wuphys.UUCP (Swamp Thing) writes: >In article <170@decwrl.UUCP> burden@cheers.DEC (Dave Burden - ZKO2-2/Q21 - 381-2559) writes: >>Now to my original reason for responding. I happen to have replaceable bulb >>non-sealed beam headlights on my car, 90-100 bulbs to boot. They are aimed >>correctly but I still get some people who flash their high beams at me. > >Thanks for helping to dispell the arguement that correctly-aimed halogens are >not to bright. > > > Mark F. Flynn > Department of Physics > Washington University > St. Louis, MO 63130 > ihnp4!wuphys!mff > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >"There is no dark side of the moon, really. > Matter of fact, it's all dark." > > P. Floyd Not necessarily, Mark ... his light may not be aimed properly, or the oncoming drivers he encountered were use to dirty lights. -- John Allred General Computer Company uucp: seismo!harvard!gcc-bill!john
dca@edison.UUCP (David C. Albrecht) (09/04/85)
> Since it seems to be needed, could some kind soul post directions for > aligning headlights without all the fancy equipment. > My local Dart drug sells a plastic widget using a bubble level which attaches to the front of the headlight and can be used to get the proper vertical angle (the sell them for either round or rectangular headlights). It is probably available in other places as well. This doesn't help as far as adjusting the angle-in attitude of the lights but it at least solves half the battle. David Albrecht General Electric Charlottesville
dca@edison.UUCP (David C. Albrecht) (09/04/85)
> If by chance you and your cretinous supporters are referring to halogen > DRIVING lights (accessory single beam lights that usually mount above or > below the bumper and produce "pencil" beams) you are correct that use > of these on approaching traffic is obnoxious. I assumed that the preceeding diatribe was over DRIVING lights in which case I agree. If it is really about headlights I also disagree. However, to start another flaming session I want to say I also think that the 4x4s that require oxygen tanks to drive should also be legislated out of existence. It is one thing to boost the height of the truck enough to clear a reasonable size tire. It is another to have 747 landing gear tires on a truck and a spring/shock assembly which puts enough air between the tires and the truck to store a normal car. The main reason I am flaming about this is not because it looks stupid and has room temperature IQ written all over it (though it does) but rather because it boosts the bumper on the truck to windshield level on most cars and in an accident the other person involved will most likely get a bumper in the face. Personally, I think vehicles which are as dangerous as these should be relegated to the same status as dirt bikes i.e. purely off-road vehicles. David Albrecht
hull@hao.UUCP (Howard Hull) (09/04/85)
A friend of mine (who by the way is a narcoleptic who has had now some 3 good solid collisions with trees and who by some miracle has managed to hang onto his driver's license) recommends a six step procedure: 1. Flash your lights vigorously. Honk your horn a few times. 2. If the oncomming driver doesn't catch on, turn your headlights out completely for a few seconds. 3. If the situation worsens, as soon as the oncomming lights have prevented you from seeing the centerline of the road, begin weaving, being sure to cross the place where you last thought the centerline to be. 4. If the oncomming driver still does not seem to respond, cross the road and drive in his lane for a while. 5. If this doesn't work and the vehicle is still 1/4 mile away or so, pull across the road and pretend that you intend to turn around. Otherwise, pull onto the shoulder on his side of the road and turn off all lights, wait for him to pass. Give him the Italian elbow uplift symbol as he passes. 6. If the oncoming car turns out to be a police car, and he stops, ask him what happened to the McDonald's restaurant that used to be at this address. Ask him what he has for a sore elbow.
pchan@mnetor.UUCP (Peter Chan) (09/06/85)
In article <648@rduxb.UUCP> daw1@rduxb.UUCP (WILLIAMS) writes: > > I sure have fun with guys like you! Despite the fact my head- >lights are perfectly aligned, some people think that my halogens on >low beam are regulars on high beam. So when they give a blink so I >turn 'em down and I give a courtesy flash in return to let them >know I DON'T have my high beams on and they still try to blind me, look >out! I put those suckers on high and fix their ass! They probably see >spots for days. :-) I sure have fun with guys like you too! I also got properly aligned halogen head-lights on my car, but I have never received any blink at all. My auxiliary driving lights and fog lights are exactly for people like you. They are properly aimed too - right to the height of the eyes. My recommendation is that maybe your "perfectly aligned" isn't that perfect at all. Boy, I wish I'd meet you on the road one day! Peter Chan mnetor!pchan
pchan@mnetor.UUCP (Peter Chan) (09/06/85)
In article <655@rduxb.UUCP> daw1@rduxb.UUCP (WILLIAMS) writes: > > Apparently you run across a lot of misaligned headlights. >You probably pass a lot of halogens that are correctly aligned and >don't know that they are halogens. If correctly aligned, halogens are >not a problem. Misaligned non-halogens are a problem, too. > > > Doug Williams Here you said correctly aimed halogens are not a problem, but in your earlier posting, you said: > >Despite the fact my headlights is perfectly aligned, some people think >that my halogens on low beam are regulars on high beam. > I don't understand now, you are condradicting yourself. If your halogens are probably aligned, why do people still think that there is a problem? Are your halogens different from those halogens? Or maybe the following lines >... If correctly aligned, halogens are >not a problem. Misaligned non-halogens are a problem, too. should read as: >... If correctly aligned, halogens are >not a problem. :-) Misaligned non-halogens are a problem, too. ^ | | (should be added) Peter Chan mnetor!pchan
hlh@security.UUCP (Henry L. Hall) (09/13/85)
As I recall there also was a car made by Citroen which had,
in Europe, headlights that followed the direction of the car, i.e. if
you were going around a left hand corner, the lights would turn and
move to the left. Also, they would automatically adjusted the height
when the car was loaded down (though all of these cars had a pneumatic
or hydraulic suspension). This was the DS 21 and SM models, I don't
know if the CX still does this.
Henry L. Hall
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linus!hlh@mitre-bedford {MIL}