[comp.sys.next] New 320Meg SCSI drive, 16ms, $950

ericz@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Eric Zamost) (07/25/90)

I have arranged the purchase, here's the information:

(I am sending this to all of the people who responded to my first request
for information, those who responded to the anouncement about the purchase,
and am posting it to the newsgroups since I expect some of the mail to
bounce.)

I have arranged that the dealer will sell them for $950, and accept orders
from anyone who mentions this deal.  He accepts MC and Visa, and he can
ship outside the US.  In all cases he will require the buyer to pay
shipping and any appropriate sales taxes.

Here are the specs again, with some additional information:
(This should answer some of the questions people e-mailed me.)

CDC-Imprimis Wren IV
Part #94171-307 (same as 94171-350, now being sold by Seagate as ST4350N)
New, 1 year warranty
Full height, 5.25", Auto-park
Drive-only (no external case or power supply)
SCSI Interface
320 Meg formatted capacity
16ms average access time
Rated MTBF: 100,000 hours

To buy one of these, call ICS (Integrated Component Supply) at
805-257-6900, and ask for Tom (the president of the company).  You will
have to mention my name to get this price.  I didn't bother to
explain about the net to him, so don't be surprised if he doesn't know
what you are talking about if you mention it.

They are "bare" drives, so if you need them external (for Mac, Sun, Amiga,
etc.) you will need to get a case, power supply, etc.  They say that they
will sell the drives in a case for an additional $250 - this is something I
payed litle attention to, since mine will be internal.  It may be worth
finding your own case - I don't know.

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rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C.F. Antony) (07/26/90)

In article <5429@darkstar.ucsc.edu> ericz@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Eric Zamost) writes:
>CDC-Imprimis Wren IV
>Part #94171-307 (same as 94171-350, now being sold by Seagate as ST4350N)
>320 Meg formatted capacity

I doubt that CDC uses 2 different article numbers to describe one
article.
Thus it is obvious that 94171-307 and 94171-350 are not the same. 
If CDC uses the same numbering scheme as in the Wren V, VI and VII
series, as I think, the number after the dash shows the unformatted
capacity, i.e. in this case 307 MB. So the drive can hardly have 320
formatted capacity.
Most ppl tend to forget, that 1 MB = 1024^2 bytes and neither
1000*1024 (which would be 1000 KB) nor 1000^2 bytes. In computers
there is not the metric system used where m and mega stand for 1000^2.
Note also, that in the metric system the letters are lower case where
as the K in KB and the M in MB are upper case...
Nevertheless this could be a good deal... I just hate it if ppl look
at the first few digits of a "n bytes free"-message and call it
formatted capacity in MB

Ronald from Europe and with typos...
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olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) (07/29/90)

In <45808@brunix.UUCP> rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C.F. Antony) writes:
...

| If CDC uses the same numbering scheme as in the Wren V, VI and VII
| series, as I think, the number after the dash shows the unformatted
| capacity, i.e. in this case 307 MB. So the drive can hardly have 320
| formatted capacity.
| Most ppl tend to forget, that 1 MB = 1024^2 bytes and neither
| 1000*1024 (which would be 1000 KB) nor 1000^2 bytes. In computers
| there is not the metric system used where m and mega stand for 1000^2.
| Note also, that in the metric system the letters are lower case where
| as the K in KB and the M in MB are upper case...

Wrong on two counts.  The number WAS (before Seagate bought Imprimis)
the formatted capacity in Megabytes, where a Mb was defined as
1000000 (10^6) bytes, NOT 1048576 (2^20).  Immediately after Seagate
bought Imprimis, the 94171-344 was renamed 94171-376, where 376 was
the unformatted capacity.  The only 94171-307 I had seen was a very
early version of the 94171-344; so I can't shed any more info on
that.  Depending on how the drive was formatted, the 94171-344 had
a formatted capacity of ~644000 sectors ~= 322 2^20 Mb ~= 337 10^6 Mb
I seem to recall that the 344 Mb value was with no spares whatsoever,
and also included the cylinders reserved for the embedded controllers

Many mfg's are defining their Mb as 10^6, including most of the
3 1/2" drive mfg's.  To avoid ambiguity, talking about number of
available blocks is often useful (assuming the blocks are 512 bytes,
which is USUALLY how the numbers are quoted).
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	Dave Olson

Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.