dhom@spica.acs.calpoly.edu (David Hom) (09/20/90)
I hope this hasn't been addressed already, but how do they fit the OS on a 105Mb HD? The 256Mb Optical Software Release 1.0 came on was pretty full. Are there features missing? Dave dhom@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
engstrom@SRC.Honeywell.COM (Eric Engstrom) (09/21/90)
In article <26f8b87d.20d@petunia.CalPoly.EDU> dhom@spica.acs.calpoly.edu (David Hom) writes: > I hope this hasn't been addressed already, but how do they fit the > OS on a 105Mb HD? The 256Mb Optical Software Release 1.0 came on was > pretty full. Are there features missing? The info I got Tuesday (sept 18) night at the Minn. NeXT UG from a NeXT sales rep was that the 105 drives come loaded with the "standard" 2.0 distribution. This was a pared down version of the "extended" distrib. which comes on larger drives (I think). The standard dist. does not include some of the more "developer" type items. While I don't have a list of the stuff on/not-on this distribution, I do remember that the list of stuff NOT on the "standard" included the following: - debuggers (Ariel-DSP, Malloc (new)), - numerous demo applications (YAP sticking in my mind), - much of the GNU software (gdb included), - AppInspector (new), - some documentation (Shakespeare, pictures for webster, and, I think, some tech docs.), and - InterfaceBuilder. Perhaps some NeXT person could tell us the rationale of the choices (and supply us with a more complete list? :-) I also seem to remember that the space taken by the distribution was around 75Mb, leaving less than 30Mb free for other apps. It seems to me that the best use of this setup would be a self-booting NeXTStation which used the extra 30Mb for swap space and accessed a server Cube for any other software (including the developer stuff) Eric +--------- Eric Engststrom, Honeywell SRC | [While most peoples' ARPA: engstrom@src.honeywell.com | opinions change, the UUCP: {umn-cs,ems,bthpyd}!srcsip!engstrom | conviction of their MAIL: 3660 Technology Drive, Mpls, MN | correctness never does] Phone: (612) 782-7318 |
mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) (09/21/90)
if you buy the slab with a little (105M) disk, you get a stripped-down
system: no shakespeare, quotations, TeX, or development tools.
the NeXT speaker at BaNG said something about making the missing stuff
available "if you wanted it", but it's not obvious what format they'd
provide it in (60 floppies? probably not...)
.mike.
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.mike.haugelan@unix.cis.pitt.edu (John C. Haugeland) (09/21/90)
The NeXT representative here in Pittsburgh (Eastern Regional Headquarters) told me today that everybody who buys a new NeXT machine automatically gets a license for the entire OS release -- that is, NeXTStep 2.0 extended. The trouble is (as several people have noticed) that won't all fit on the standard 105 mb drive that comes with the "Slab" machines. So the company has preselected about 70 mb that they think will be most useful to most people and called that NeXTStep 2.0 Standard. But, if you don't like their choices, you can choose whatever you want, subject only to the problem of physically transferring it. (He speculated that they might arrange to distribute the stuff on a "stack" of floppys for the cost of media plus copying.) In the meantime, all you need to do is buy a larger hard disk (either from NeXT or from somebody else) and you can have it all. In other words, they've simply offered us a new option: buy less hard disk than the previous minimum, and a correspondingly lower price (in fact, a GREAT price!), and take our choice of the software distribution, or buy enough hard disk to hold it all, and take it all. Who could complain about that? I think it's a terrific policy. John Haugeland haugelan@unix.cis.pitt.edu
cyliao@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chun-Yao Liao) (09/21/90)
In article <26f8b87d.20d@petunia.CalPoly.EDU> dhom@spica.acs.calpoly.edu.UUCP (David Hom) writes: >I hope this hasn't been addressed already, but how do they fit the >OS on a 105Mb HD? The 256Mb Optical Software Release 1.0 came on was >pretty full. Are there features missing? ok, here goes features missing in 105 mb version or new features: Oxford dict of quotation Shakespeare's complete works TeX IB ObjectC + class definitions C++ 56001 DSP tools GNU emacs and debugger BUG 56 debugger Malloc debugger AppInspector PostScript tools AppKit, MusicKit, SoundKit On line tech doc Quite a loss if not having all these included in your cube... but then, you need at least 340 mb harddisk (as NeXT said) cyliao@wam.umd.edu o NeXT : I put main frame power on two chips. @epsl.umd.edu o people: We put main flame power on two guys. @bagend.eng.umd.edu o :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx (reserved) o RC + Apple // + Classic Music + NeXT = cyliao
kmessin@csserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (Keith R Messing) (09/27/90)
In article <40338@unix.cis.pitt.edu> haugelan@unix.cis.pitt.edu (John C. Haugeland) writes: > In the meantime, all you >need to do is buy a larger hard disk (either from NeXT or from somebody >else) and you can have it all. > >In other words, they've simply offered us a new option: buy less hard >disk than the previous minimum, and a correspondingly lower price (in >fact, a GREAT price!), and take our choice of the software distribution, >or buy enough hard disk to hold it all, and take it all. > QUESTION: How much disk space is enough for the full extended release? (Please e-mail response to kmessin@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu... thanks) Keith Randolph Messing