maa@ssc-bee.UUCP (Mark A Allyn) (09/19/85)
Just a suggestion from a bicyclist whose tires are sensitive to all of the broken glass found on the roads nowadays. I would like to hear feedback on the following suggestion from both fellow bicyclists and drivers - hence posting on both net.bicycle and net.auto. Since much of the broken glass that I see appears to be the result of accidents and fender benders (broken headlights) I would like to see a requirement that all parties in an accidents are responsible to ensure that ALL debris be cleaned up after the accident. Maybee the police officer responding to the accident should have as one of the items on his check list or whatever to ensure that the scene is swepted and policed following an accident just as in a laboratory situation where the area is completly cleaned and policed after any sort of accident. I know that in the labs where I work that if there is an accident and the area is not swept and policed, there would H**L to pay! I would like to see the same standards applied to our streets. Just A Suggestion From Mark A. Allyn !uw-beaver!ssc-vax!ssc_bee!maa
gnosis@fluke.UUCP (Chris Villani) (09/20/85)
In article <377@ssc-bee.UUCP> maa@ssc-bee.UUCP (Mark A Allyn) writes: >Just a suggestion from a bicyclist whose tires are sensitive to all >of the broken glass found on the roads nowadays. > >Since much of the broken glass that I see appears to be the result of >accidents and fender benders (broken headlights) I would like to see >a requirement that all parties in an accidents are responsible to ensure >that ALL debris be cleaned up after the accident. The idea has merit, but I beg to differ with you as to the source of the glass. I run about 70-90 miles/week when in training which gives me an opportunity to see lots of pavement. The vast majority of glass I encounter is the result of discarded alcoholic beverages bottles. Living near a high school doesn't seem to help this problem either. More than once I've had to pick a piece of broken bottle neck or the like from my shoe. Again, your idea is praiseworthy. I just wish there was some way to overcome blatant disregard for public safety and cleanliness. Any ideas? Chris Villani
hammond@noscvax.UUCP (John A. Hammond) (09/23/85)
> accidents and fender benders (broken headlights) I would like to see > a requirement that all parties in an accidents are responsible to ensure > that ALL debris be cleaned up after the accident. Maybee the police officer I have recently observed that the bulk of the glass is from six-packs of beer discarded along side the road. Having been involved in two recent accidents ( one in Las Vegas and the other in Lemon Grove ) the tow truck operators cleared up all of the debris and carted it off on their truck. -- ARPA/MILNET -- hammond@nosc UUCP -- ihnp4 \ akgua \ decvax > !sdcsvax!noscvax!hammond dcdwest / ucbvax /
fish@ihlpg.UUCP (Bob Fishell) (09/24/85)
> Since much of the broken glass that I see appears to be the result of > accidents and fender benders (broken headlights) I would like to see > a requirement that all parties in an accidents are responsible to ensure > that ALL debris be cleaned up after the accident. *** AC T YOUR AGE *** Most of the broken glass around here seems to be from benders of another kind, namely, drunken teenagers throwing beer bottles out of car windows. I would like to see the local police make the little @#$%^&s EAT it. As to cleaning up after accidents, it's pretty hard to clean up after a wreck when you've got a concussion. I think they could pay the tow truck drivers a little extra to sweep up the debris, if they'd do it. Tire savers seem to do a lot to prevent flats from broken glass. I've ridden right over bottle fragments (they make a very distinctive sound) and kept right on going without incident. I've only had two flats from puncture in the last two years, one from a staple piercing the sidewall, another from a rather large nail. Sure, they squeal, but they do work. __ / \ \__/ Bob Fishell ihnp4!ihlpg!fish
seifert@hammer.UUCP (Snoopy) (09/24/85)
In article <1475@vax3.fluke.UUCP> gnosis@fluke.UUCP (Chris Villani) writes: >In article <377@ssc-bee.UUCP> maa@ssc-bee.UUCP (Mark A Allyn) writes: >> >>Since much of the broken glass that I see appears to be the result of >>accidents and fender benders (broken headlights) I would like to see >>a requirement that all parties in an accidents are responsible to ensure >>that ALL debris be cleaned up after the accident. Generally, the people who were *in* the accident are much too shaken up (or worse) to worry about sweeping up the street. Assuming the police come to the scene, it could be part of their task-list to see that any mess gets cleaned up. (and it probably is in most places) > The vast majority of glass I encounter is the result of > discarded alcoholic beverages bottles. ... I just > wish there was some way to overcome blatant disregard for public > safety and cleanliness. Any ideas? That's what BOTTLE DEPOSITS are for. Oregon has a 5 cent deposit on bottles, refillable or not. It should probably be higher. Snoopy tektronix!hammer!seifert tektronix!tekecs!doghouse.TEK!snoopy
dhk@hp-pcd.UUCP (dhk) (09/24/85)
>> Since much of the broken glass that I see appears to be the result of >> accidents and fender benders (broken headlights) I.... > The idea has merit, but I beg to differ with you as to the source of > the glass. .... The vast majority of glass > I encounter is the result of discarded alcoholic beverages bottles. > ... the like from my shoe. Again, your idea is praiseworthy. I just > wish there was some way to overcome blatant disregard for public > safety and cleanliness. Any ideas? Yes, enact a refundable deposit on bottles and cans like we have here in Oregon. Around here people take their bottles and cans back to the store for the deposit instead of throwing them beside the road. I used to live on the border between Idaho (which doesn't have a bottle deposit) and Oregon and there were more bottles and cans in the ditches on the Idaho side than on the Oregon side. And most of the bottles on the Oregon side were from Idaho and could not be returned for a deposit. ( Sorry that this doesn't have much to do with net.auto ) Dustin Kassman !hplabs!hp-pcd!dhk Corvallis, Oregon
hom@houxm.UUCP (H.MORRIS) (09/26/85)
=========== The best idea, I think, is the most obvious one, namely laws requiring deposits on bottles. Some people will still toss bottles out their windows (unless the deposit is really high), but then young kids, instead of smashing them for amusement, are likely to take them to stores to cash in. The beverage bottlers/distributers, who don't want to retool their industry, claim a number of things including that it will make beverages more expensive. I doubt it, at least in the long run. In New Jersey I managed with difficulty to find a place that sells beer by the case in returnables, and that also happens to be the best buy. A controversial plus to the idea is that it makes the industry more labor-intensive and less natural resources intensive in a time when labor is getting more plentiful and natural resources scarcer. But the manufacturers won't like that since natural resources behave themselves better than labor. I have seen a couple of bottle bills defeated by well-organized lobbying campaigns; posters put in every grocery store showing glum people standing in line with arm-fulls of bottles, or scare campaigns about invasions of cockroaches. A good countering technique might be a coordinated campaign of people going out and gathering bottles for 10 minutes in the vicinity of their homes, and UPSing a box of bottles to their anti-bottle bill congressman.
jayj@hpisla.UUCP (Jay Johannes) (09/26/85)
>>> >>>Since much of the broken glass that I see appears to be the result of >>>accidents and fender benders (broken headlights) ... >> The vast majority of glass I encounter is the result of >> discarded alcoholic beverages bottles. ... I just >> wish there was some way to overcome blatant disregard for public >> safety and cleanliness. Any ideas? >That's what BOTTLE DEPOSITS are for. Oregon has a 5 cent deposit >on bottles, refillable or not. It should probably be higher. Unfortunately, I dont think any token deposit is going to make a difference. As was pointed out, these bottles are tossed by minors. A token deposit is small compared with the risk of being caught with open containers. Please don't misunderstand. I am NOT condoning or even accepting drinking and driving. I am strongly for enforcement here, including open container laws. Its just that someone who is drinking in their car is not going to be responsible about littering. Jay Johannes ***** What company? Im a hermit on a mountain top and I dont want no company! *****
mikel@codas.UUCP (Mikel Manitius) (10/02/85)
The problem I find with the NY bottle law, is that they do not re-use
the glass, they simply gather it up and dump it, unlike several other places
I know of that actually re-use the glass.
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