velasco@beowulf.ucsd.edu (Gabriel Velasco) (11/13/90)
In particular, how do I find all of the possible defaults for something
like Workspace or Edit. I found as least some of them for Terminal and
Shell in the on-line documentation at one time, but I can't remember
where it was. The names of the files when you use the Digital
Librarian aren't very useful.
Right now I'm actually wondering if there is a default for making the
Workspace open up an icon window instead of the browser so that I can
set this using dwrite. In general, I'd like to know how to find out
what all of my options are.
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/\__/\(_/\/__)\/ (_/_(/_/|_ |_______________________________________Dan_8:16_|declan@remus.rutgers.edu (Declan McCullagh/LZ) (11/13/90)
In article <velasco.658466079@beowulf>, velasco@beowulf.ucsd.edu (Gabriel Velasco) writes: > In particular, how do I find all of the possible defaults for something > like Workspace or Edit. I found as least some of them for Terminal and > Shell in the on-line documentation at one time, but I can't remember > where it was. The names of the files when you use the Digital > Librarian aren't very useful. "dread -l" will do the trick (next time, you might want to read the man pages first before posting a question to the net at large). If you dislike command line utilities, Marc Davidson, the NeXT Campus Consultant for the University of Arizona, has written a very good application which lets you change values in your defaults database (like dwrite). You can pick it up at your friendly archive server. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Declan McCullagh / NeXT Campus Consultant \ declan@remus.rutgers.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------
eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) (11/13/90)
In article <Nov.13.00.51.39.1990.17427@remus.rutgers.edu> declan@remus.rutgers.edu (Declan McCullagh/LZ) writes: >In article <velasco.658466079@beowulf>, velasco@beowulf.ucsd.edu (Gabriel Velasco) writes: >> In particular, how do I find all of the possible defaults for something >> like Workspace or Edit. I found as least some of them for Terminal and >> Shell in the on-line documentation at one time, but I can't remember >> where it was. The names of the files when you use the Digital >> Librarian aren't very useful. > >"dread -l" will do the trick (next time, you might want to read the >man pages first before posting a question to the net at large). I'm sure he's tried that and it didn't answer his question; the Defaults Database usually only contains "non-default defaults." He wants ALL possible defaults. Rudimentary reverse engineering on 1.0a comes up with: Workspace Documented in SysRefMan/10_Support.wn: ApplicationPaths BrowserColWidth BrowserH BrowserW BrowserX BrowserY CoreLimit IconsSnapTo LaunchThese Documented in SysAdmin/ApA_BootSequence.wn: LoginProgram Documented in NextAnswers: Expert Undocumented: Debug DoTimings Pause Preferences System (rather than Workspace) defaults: Umask UnixExpert Edit Documented in SysRefMan/18_Tools.wn: DeleteBackup HeightInChars IndentWidth NXFont NXFontSize RTF Tags WidthInChars Not documented, but settable in Preferences: AutoIndent TabWidth Undocumented (controls defaults for Page Layout Panel): Orientation PagesPerSheet -=EPS=-
velasco@beowulf.ucsd.edu (Gabriel Velasco) (11/13/90)
declan@remus.rutgers.edu (Declan McCullagh/LZ) writes: >In article <velasco.658466079@beowulf>, velasco@beowulf.ucsd.edu (Gabriel Velasco) writes: >> In particular, how do I find all of the possible defaults for something >> like Workspace or Edit. I found as least some of them for Terminal and >> Shell in the on-line documentation at one time, but I can't remember >> where it was. The names of the files when you use the Digital >> Librarian aren't very useful. > >"dread -l" will do the trick (next time, you might want to read the >man pages first before posting a question to the net at large). If >you dislike command line utilities, Marc Davidson, the NeXT Campus >Consultant for the University of Arizona, has written a very good >application which lets you change values in your defaults database >(like dwrite). You can pick it up at your friendly archive server. I'm familiar with dread (-l) and dwrite. I'm also familiar with the Defaults App that you mention. The problem is if there exists a possible default which is not set in the defaults database then how do you know that it is even possible. For instance, you can bring up the Shell and Terminal Apps with "-Console YES" or something like that to send console output to the window. You can also do a "dwrite Shell Console YES" to make that the default, but if it wasn't set in the first place then a "dread Shell" won't show it to you. Dread -l shows you the defaults that are set already. I need to know how to find the defaults that are not set, but that I may want to set. -- ________________________________________________ <>___, / / | ... and he called out and said, "Gabriel, give | /___/ __ / _ __ ' _ / | this man an understanding of the vision." | /\__/\(_/\/__)\/ (_/_(/_/|_ |_______________________________________Dan_8:16_|
alexn@xgate.x.austin.ibm.com (11/13/90)
In article <Nov.13.00.51.39.1990.17427@remus.rutgers.edu> declan@remus.rutgers.edu (Declan McCullagh/LZ) writes: >In article <velasco.658466079@beowulf>, velasco@beowulf.ucsd.edu (Gabriel Velasco) writes: >> In particular, how do I find all of the possible defaults for something >> like Workspace or Edit. I found as least some of them for Terminal and >> Shell in the on-line documentation at one time, but I can't remember >> where it was. The names of the files when you use the Digital >> Librarian aren't very useful. > As far as I know, you can use dread -l to find the CURRENT defaults of all the clients. You can use dread -o to find the current defaults for a given clients, i.e, dread -o Terminal will produce all the current defaults for Terminal. However, I don't know of a way of finding all the possible defaults which a client will support. Until the parameter for a given client is added to the database, there is no way (as far as I know) to know the parameter. For example, by default the Window Server is non-public but when you do a dread -o System, there is not even an entry for the PublicWindowServer parameter unless someone has already set it; in other words, if there is not an entry for a parameter for a given client, the client usually assumes a default behavior. Hope this helps.... Alex
glenn@heaven.woodside.ca.us (Glenn Reid) (11/14/90)
In article <Nov.13.00.51.39.1990.17427@remus.rutgers.edu> declan@remus.rutgers.edu (Declan McCullagh/LZ) writes: >In article <velasco.658466079@beowulf>, velasco@beowulf.ucsd.edu (Gabriel Velasco) writes: >> In particular, how do I find all of the possible defaults for something >> like Workspace or Edit. I found as least some of them for Terminal and >> Shell in the on-line documentation at one time, but I can't remember >> where it was. The names of the files when you use the Digital >> Librarian aren't very useful. > >"dread -l" will do the trick (next time, you might want to read the >man pages first before posting a question to the net at large). No, "dread -l" will not do the trick (and I will resist the temptation to point out that next time, you might want to read the question before posting to the net at large :-) The question was to find ALL of the possible defaults. "dread -l" will only show you the defaults that have been set already, not the ones that potentially might be set if you only knew about them. For example, Mail has an option to use Emacs-style key bindings, but you won't find that out by using "dread -l", because it isn't in there. You have to find out about it by reading the net. [Incidentally, you can turn it on with "dwrite Mail KeyBindings YES"]. Unfortunately, it is the responsibility of the application itself to make its defaults known, and there is no general way to find out. The correct way to do this is to have a Preferences panel and to make all of the preferences configurable from inside the App, but there are always a few hidden goodies that the programmer didn't want to make into a feature (I guess). -- Glenn Reid RightBrain Software glenn@heaven.woodside.ca.us PostScript/NeXT developers ..{adobe,next}!heaven!glenn 415-851-1785
mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) (11/14/90)
> In particular, how do I find all of the possible defaults for something > like Workspace or Edit. "dread -l" will do the trick (next time, you might want to read the man pages first before posting a question to the net at large). actually, dread *won't* do the trick -- it only tells you what defaults are already set. if you want to find them all, try this: start the program you're interested in under gdb (e.g. 'gdb /NextApps/Librarian.app/Librarian') give gdb the following string of commands: break *0x605d89e commands 1 silent printf "%s: ", *$a2 output {char *}(4+$a2) echo \n cont end run this should give you something like the following: (the values given are the application defaults, i.e. what you'll get if there's nothing in your defaults database) Sort: (char *) 0x1a02c "Weight" SummaryFont: (char *) 0x1a134 "Helvetica" SummarySize: (char *) 0x1a234 "12" ContentFont: (char *) 0x1a1b4 "Helvetica" ContentSize: (char *) 0x1a2b4 "12" AutoOpen: (char *) 0x1a334 "YES" DoLaunchTiming: (char *) 0x0 HomeDirectory: (char *) 0x0 LaunchTime: (char *) 0x6006259 "0 0" MachLaunch: (char *) 0x0 SavePanelTiming: (char *) 0x0 Uid: (char *) 0x0 UserName: (char *) 0x0 BoldSystemFont: (char *) 0x60062d5 "Helvetica-Bold" BrowserSpeed: (char *) 0x60062f1 "50" Printer: (char *) 0x60062fc "Local_Printer" PrinterHost: (char *) 0x6006316 "" PrinterResolution: (char *) 0x6006329 "400" ScrollerButtonDelay: (char *) 0x6006341 "0.5" ScrollerButtonPeriod: (char *) 0x600635a "0.025" ScrollerKnobDelay: (char *) 0x6006372 "0.001" ScrollerKnobCount: (char *) 0x600638a "2" SystemFont: (char *) 0x6006397 "Helvetica" UnixExpert: (char *) 0x60063ac "NO" NXAutoLaunch: (char *) 0x60063ac "NO" NXCaseSensitiveBrowser: (char *) 0x0 NXHost: (char *) 0x0 NXMargins: (char *) 0x6006445 "72 72 90 90" NXMenuX: (char *) 0x6006459 "-1.0" NXMenuY: (char *) 0x6006466 "1000000.0" NXOpen: (char *) 0x0 NXOpenTemp: (char *) 0x0 NXPSName: (char *) 0x0 NXPaperType: (char *) 0x6006497 "Letter" NXShowAllWindows: (char *) 0x0 NXShowPS: (char *) 0x0 NXFont: (char *) 0x6006397 "Helvetica" NXFontSize: (char *) 0x60064ca "12" NXFixedPitchFont: (char *) 0x60064de "Ohlfs" NXFixedPitchFontSize: (char *) 0x60064f9 "10" NXMallocDebug: (char *) 0x600650a "32" (note that most of the preferences are loaded by appkit, and have nothing to do with librarian specifically.) this also starts the program running; you'll probably want to quit it, and then quit gdb (by typing 'quit'). by the way, the magic number in the first line is an address in the shared library (NXRegisterDefaults+70), and almost certainly will have to be changed to work under 2.0. have fun... .mike. -- .mike.
rbeach@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Captain Entropy 312 Green Center 0 9867977) (11/18/90)
In article <Nov.13.00.51.39.1990.17427@remus.rutgers.edu> declan@remus.rutgers.edu (Declan McCullagh/LZ) writes: >In article <velasco.658466079@beowulf>, velasco@beowulf.ucsd.edu (Gabriel Velasco) writes: >> In particular, how do I find all of the possible defaults for something [...stuff deleted...] > >"dread -l" will do the trick (next time, you might want to read the >man pages first before posting a question to the net at large). If [.. stuff deleted...] Yes dread will tell you what all the defaults that have been set are, but only those that have been set. If the question is the same one I asked a year or so ago (and never got an answer to) it is how to find all the defaults that can be changed, regardless of whether they have been given a value or not yet. I know under 0.8 and 0.9 only things that had been changed were set in the defaults database. I gave up looking so it may have changed under 1.0 (or 2.0) and I am speaking unawares (pardon me if this is the case). If it has not changed though, and you want to change the font size in your shell (yes this is a bad example because I know it is in the online documentation and I think it gets a deafult value set in the database instead of in the program) you can't simply do a dread and find out what you want to dwrite. If I am wrong, I would like to know. If I am right, I would like to know if there is anyway to get an App to tell you what it considers configurable defaults. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Beach @ Colorado School of Mines Golden, Colorado USA I-Net and BitNet : rbeach@mines | CS/CH or : rbeach@slate.mines.colorado.edu | UUCP : ...isis!csm9a!rbeach |
geoff@ITcorp.com (Geoff Kuenning) (11/19/90)
In article <MDIXON.90Nov13135818@thelonius.parc.xerox.com> mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) writes: > (a tricky list of gdb commands which uses a breakpoint in > NXRegisterDefaults to figure out the legal defaults for an > application). Very nice, but I tried it on Icon (I'm trying to figure out how to get the 5th menu, the Shapes menu, to stop coming up on launch) and got an interesting list that is *completely* disjoint from what "dread -l" lists as my current set of defaults! What's going on here? (And BTW, can anyone tell me how to suppress that damn Shapes menu?) I already have "Icon Menu4Visible 0" in my defaults and it doesn't help.) -- Geoff Kuenning geoff@ITcorp.com uunet!desint!geoff