bmwu@athena.mit.edu (Benson M. Wu) (11/14/90)
I received the following e-mail from Jonathan Schwartz of Lighthouse Design, Ltd. after I whined on the net about the high prices of NeXt peripherals and softwares. What a deal! Every university that carries NeXT should consider carrying Diagram! I definitely want to check this software out. I just hope other software vendors are as reasonable as Lighthouse Design and not like Frame Technology. Best regards, Benson Wu bmwu@athena.mit.edu Enc: See the letter below. ---------------------------------------------------------------- >From: lighthouse!jis@uunet.uu.net >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 90 00:31:48 EST >Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.58) >To: bmwu@ATHENA.MIT.EDU >Subject: Re: comp.sys.next post >Cc: jis@uunet.UU.NET >Benson- >Re: your post of 10 Nov: >[...] >>In any case, I went to a demo put out by Boston Computer >>Society last night for NeXT. I was really impressed by 2.0 >>and the '040 station there. I just wish the prices of >>the software and peripherals will come down from Workstation >>price range to PC range. If that doesn't happen, NeXT will >>never become affordable for joe average. >[...] >As the sales and marketing manager for Lighthouse Design (we produce Diagram!, a >graphics app, along with a variety of freeware and PD material), I was wondering >what you thought were fair prices for PC software, ie, not Workstation material. I >>can tell you that we as a company wrestled for a good long time over an appropriate p>rice. In the end, we decided to list our app at $399, to be discounted through >NeXT Connection for under $250. These are Commercial prices. For Academia... >The first copy to a university will be $200 (on floppy). Subsequent copies to >faculty/staff will be $75. For students, Diagram! will be $10. That's ten dollars. >Surely this will be affordable? (And if it's not, just tell us what is...). >The $10 copy will come with license and registration, documentation and sample >files. The full commercial distribution. If this sounds unreasonable, please offer >your suggestions--we pride ourselves on being attentive listeners. >If it sounds reasonable, please tell a couple friends, and have them do the same... >We'd like to think we're keeping "joe average" in mind. After all, we're a company comprised of them. Thanks for your ear. >Jonathan Schwartz >Lighthouse Design, Ltd.
ppham@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Phuong Pham) (11/16/90)
Only $10.00 Dollars !! (Student price of Diagram! program) Forget Piracy! $10 for media, docs, registration, etc. and mental relief, it wouldn't be worth it ! -Lighthouse probably is tapping an underdevloped market for many students pirate or "borrow" the soft then pay the rediculus commercial price, for a student. But now they can get ligitimate copies for what they can really afford. Way to go Lighthouse ! -> NO, I don't work for these guys.<grin>
bostrov@storm.UUCP (Vareck Bostrom) (11/17/90)
In article <2907@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> ppham@gmuvax2.UUCP (Phuong Pham) writes: >Only $10.00 Dollars !! (Student price of Diagram! program) > >Forget Piracy! $10 for media, docs, registration, etc. and mental >relief, it wouldn't be worth it ! Uh, that sounds really cool. Uh, what is diagram! ? I must have missed something in the receint disk crash. - Vareck Bostrom (Reply to: bostrov@mist.cs.orst.edu)
charlie@wam.umd.edu (Charles William Fletcher) (11/18/90)
In article <648@storm.UUCP> bostrov@storm.UUCP (Vareck Bostrom) writes: >In article <2907@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> ppham@gmuvax2.UUCP (Phuong Pham) writes: >>Only $10.00 Dollars !! (Student price of Diagram! program) >> >>Forget Piracy! $10 for media, docs, registration, etc. and mental >>relief, it wouldn't be worth it ! > >Uh, that sounds really cool. Uh, what is diagram! ? I must have missed >something in the receint disk crash. > > >- Vareck Bostrom (Reply to: bostrov@mist.cs.orst.edu) Diagram is software for (ta-da) drawing diagrams. It has several tools for this but its two main features seem to be- a) Once a diagram (or say flow chart) is drawn and links make, then boxes, etc. may be moved around and the links maintained without redrawing(ie, rubberbanding.) b) Boxes, etc may be linked to outside data or programs to bring up charts, graphs, calculation, or whatever. See page 128 of the Fall NeXT 'Software and Peripherals' for more details. I called the developer (Lighthouse Design--there local here) about the 10 dollar deal. Here's the deal--They sell the university bookstore (or whatever) the first copy for 200 dolars (retail is listed at 249.) They also give the bookstore the right tomake copies to faculty and student charging the fac 75 bucks and students 10 dollars each. It is the bookstore's responsibility to check ID's and send names, etc. to Lighthouse. In addition, you do NOT get documentation--BUT ALL manual (I was told) are online. If you are interested call your bookstore or call Lighthouse (at 800-366-2279) and they'll contact your local comuter reps. That's all I know. -Charlie >Soon to appear here--some nifty follow-up!
rock@lighthouse.com (11/19/90)
In article <2907@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> ppham@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Phuong Pham) writes: >Only $10.00 Dollars !! (Student price of Diagram! program) > >Forget Piracy! $10 for media, docs, registration, etc. and mental >relief, it wouldn't be worth it ! I'd like to clarify. The copies don't come with printed docs, but they're on-line and DL indexed anyway, so no problem. Mental relief, however, is included. (We considered bundling academic success too, but until more overseas production facilities come on line, it's just too expensive.) Here's how it works: - Some department of your school (like the computer or book store) agrees to administer sales, and signs an agreement with us. - The department buys a master copy of Diagram! (for $200 on floppy, still a discount). - The department makes copies, on its own media, etc., for academic customers. For each copy made for a student, the department pays us $10. For each copy made for faculty/staff, the department pays us $75. >Lighthouse probably is tapping an underdevloped market for many >students pirate or "borrow" the soft then pay the rediculus >commercial price, for a student. But now they can get ligitimate >copies for what they can really afford. > >Way to go Lighthouse ! Thanks! We remember what it's like. And we'd rather not force the tens of millions of students who just can't live another day without Diagram! to experience the guilt of pirating. For more information or to get us to hound your school, call us. Roger Rosner rock@lighthouse.com 1-800-366-2279
cyliao@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chun-Yao Liao) (11/20/90)
In article <2907@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> ppham@gmuvax2.UUCP (Phuong Pham) writes: >Only $10.00 Dollars !! (Student price of Diagram! program) > >Forget Piracy! $10 for media, docs, registration, etc. and mental >relief, it wouldn't be worth it ! > Well, actually it's not that simple. You have to convince some one in the department to purchase a "real" and "complete" copy. Then this person will be resposible to deal with licensing copy to student and other faculties. Unless you can find someone in your school to buy a copy, you just can't get a copy at $10. Anyway, Lighthouse Design made our life much easier with this kind offer, I am sure all of us appreciate Lighthouse Design, right? cyliao@wam.umd.edu o NeXT : I put main frame power on two chips. @epsl.umd.edu o people: We put main flame power on two guys. @bagend.eng.umd.edu o :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx.xxx (reserved) o RC + Apple // + Classic Music + NeXT = cyliao