xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (12/02/90)
Now will you believe we need a .advocacy?
;-)
/// It's Amiga
/// for me: why
Kent, the man from xanth. \\\/// settle for
<xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> <xanthian@well.sf.ca.us> \XX/ anything less?
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Convener, ongoing comp.sys.amiga grand reorganization.dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) (12/06/90)
In article <86586@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> varun mitroo <mitroo@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes: >In article <21969@well.sf.ca.us> yoo@well.sf.ca.us (Young-Kyu Yoo) writes: > >>To all those who have said that the NeXT software selection is limited. >>Get a NeXT. You will be pleasantly surprised at what's already out there >>in terms of software, both commercial and freeware/shareware. There are >>already more than a half dozen ftp sites for NeXT software. The ones at >>Purdue, Oregon State, and Maryland seem to be the most popular. >> >Here's something I bet not too many people have done with their amigas: >Last week, I took a blank optical disk (from my cube at home) to one of the >NeXTs located on campus. From there I ftped (is there such a verb?) to a >NeXT site and downloaded everything from the /bin directory and whatever else >I wanted - in total about 30 megs of stuff - onto my optical disk. Before I >took out my optical drive, I decided to check how much of it was used up. >14% used. NeXT is not what you hear about on comp.sys.amiga. Try it out and >see. > Varun Mitroo > mitroo@cis.ohio-state.edu This Next thread gets more amusing by the minute. This must be one of the best yet :-) The following is an imaginary story since I can't afford an optical drive. (they do exist for the amy) I went down to the store and bought all the optical disks they had. Then I filled them with PD software. Then I phoned and ordered more disks. One day I hope to start doing backups of my commercial software too, but first I must find somewhere to buy more disks... Howzabout calling a truce until the machines are available off_the_shelf? We can always harass those poor mac and pc owners that are really missing out on the computer revolution :-) Regards, Jorgen -- ******************************************************************************* email dvljhg@cs.umu.se - other ways to communicate are a waste of time. Everything I say is always true, just apply it to the right reality. "Credo, quia absurdum est."
dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) (12/07/90)
In article <4166.275e7c73@cc.helsinki.fi> jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi writes: >In article <1990Dec5.194205.16892@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, dtiberio@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes: >> >> >> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE AMIGA 3000 HAS A FULL SOCKET >> >> When the 68040 is out, it should pop right in to where the 68030 was. > >But will Commodore give it to you for nothing? >> >> When this happens, the Amiga 3000 will run at 15-20 MIPS, will not require >> the slow 68882, etc. Don't compare a 68030 with a 68040! >> >> You wanna argue some more? My Amiga 500 is way faster than my C64! >> > >Of course it is, Amiga 500 is more expensive and came out after the C64. But >how can you explain that A3000UX is more expensive (as it seems now) >than a NeXTStation - even if A3000UX is launched later (and has 68030 >instead of 68040 etc.)? > >This is the whole point of me staying in this argument. As it seems that >you don't care what you pay for your machine, only if it is an Amiga - >and nothing can change that - I am getting fed up with this. > > > Jouni I have used amigados for years, it is FUN. The machine makes me want to learn more. I am sure the Next is an interesting machine but it is way to expensive for a normal user. The low end Amiga500 is a very good machine and the A3000 is a very good top-of-the-line machine. Price/performance are sure to change before the release of the 3000UX/3500. The next is not a complete line of models if you want to compete head to head with the amiga line of personal computers. The next line is competing against Sun, Apollo, IBM/RISC6000 and other workstation manufacturers. Amiga users are generally computer literate enough to know about the next and checking it out if they need a workstation. If you really want to preach about how amazing your machine ( I assume you have one... ) is then do so in a less computer literate group than comp.sys.amiga. ( comp.sys.mac and comp.sys.ibm-pc comes to mind :-) Jorgen -- ******************************************************************************* email dvljhg@cs.umu.se - other ways to communicate are a waste of time. Everything I say is always true, just apply it to the right reality. "Credo, quia absurdum est."
dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) (12/07/90)
In article <21993@well.sf.ca.us> yoo@well.sf.ca.us (Young-Kyu Yoo) writes: >To Thom Cleland: > The Amiga newsgroup is indeed full of well-informed and intelligent >posters. However, your postings re the NeXT have not been well-informed. > The 105 MB hard drive for the NeXT does indeed come with nearly 40 MB of >bundled software (not including the operating system). The 340 MB hard disk >does indeed come with nearly 200 MB of bundled software. True, Mathematic >is not free to every NeXT buyer, but it IS free to all educational buyers, >and I assume you and most of Usenet would be among these (of course, there >are some who are not). > The 040 NeXTs shipped last week (see a previous article on mine for details). > The 030 Amigas are more expensive than the 040 NeXTstations. Do you >really expect to get an 040 upgrade and money back from Commodore?? This is >what it would take to make your 040 Amiga the same low price as the 040 >NeXTStation. > The real issue is price/performance. There are many machines much faster >than the NeXT or Amiga. But the NeXT beats nearly all of them in terms of >price/performance. The Amiga is a valiant challenger to NeXT. But it still >has a ways to go if it wants to match NeXT's price/performance. > As for matching NeXT's price/features, the Amiga has a very long way to >go. Where's that Amiga DSP? Those Amiga DMA channels? That Amiga Mach with >parallel processing capabilities? That 2.88 MB floppy drive compatible with >both 720K and 1.44 MB MS-DOS formats? The fact that I have read every argument about the next at least 5 times in comp.sys.amiga lead me to believe that the people writing in can't read. Is that common to Next users? -- ******************************************************************************* email dvljhg@cs.umu.se - other ways to communicate are a waste of time. Everything I say is always true, just apply it to the right reality. "Credo, quia absurdum est."
dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) (12/07/90)
In article <21998@well.sf.ca.us> yoo@well.sf.ca.us (Young-Kyu Yoo) writes: >I wrote: >>>the comparison is not fair because the Amiga 3000UX is vaporware > >A gentleman from Vermont responds: >>I'm sorry, but that's not true. I'm typing this on one. > >And there are people using Mac's System 7.0 today. I know several people >who have NeXTDimensions, which are not scheduled to be released until early >next year. But all of these, including the Amiga 3000ux, is vaporware >because they have not been finished and released. The Amiga 3000ux's Unix >is just not done. Go ahead, use your Amiga 3000ux to your heart's content, >but talk to me when SVR4 is completed. I agree. In the mean time stop wasting bandwidth on comp.sys.amiga. -- ******************************************************************************* email dvljhg@cs.umu.se - other ways to communicate are a waste of time. Everything I say is always true, just apply it to the right reality. "Credo, quia absurdum est."
dtiberio@csserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) (12/10/90)
In article <22069@well.sf.ca.us> yoo@well.sf.ca.us (Young-Kyu Yoo) writes: >> SoftPC doesn't allow you to plug in IBM graphics cards, memory, etc., >>nor does it run on its own processor without slowdown of the "real" >>computer. > >A NeXT comes with 8 MB RAM, mininum, plus virtual memory. Adding on IBM >memory chips wouldn't be useful considering that PC software is designed to run >on systems with less than a 1 MB of RAM. And heavy-duty AT apps take two, or >at most four MB of RAM. As for IBM graphics cards, they may be useful for >some. But the NeXT itself is much better graphical environment than the >PC, and it already comes with the hardware to take advantage of it >(though no color for less than $5000). The NeXT has the SCSI and serial >ports for other types of IBM add-ons. > >True, SoftPC will take up CPU cycles. But how many apps will one user be >running anyway? And with 15-20 Mips to spend, you could run a fair number >of MS-DOS apps on a NeXT before large performance impact. > >One thing you will be able to do that you couldn't do on a traditional PC >or with a MS-DOS bridgecard, and that's run several MS-DOS applications at >once in separate windows on the NeXT. This is because SoftPC will run as >just another Unix process, and you can have multiple SoftPCs (Unix processes) >running at one time. IBM PC owners, eat your hearts out :-). > I have been looking all over for this SoftPC program, but only seem to find it for the Mac. And even the AT version of the Mac is pitifully slow. How does it compare to the ATonce IBM emulator? I was thinking about getting one of those for my Amiga, since it multitasks too.
vsolanoy@ozonebbs.UUCP (Victor Solanoy) (12/11/90)
dvljhg@cs.umu.se (J|rgen Holmberg) writes: > In article <86586@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> varun mitroo <mitroo@cis.ohio-state > >In article <21969@well.sf.ca.us> yoo@well.sf.ca.us (Young-Kyu Yoo) writes: > > > >>To all those who have said that the NeXT software selection is limited. > >>Get a NeXT. You will be pleasantly surprised at what's already out there > >>in terms of software, both commercial and freeware/shareware. There are > >>already more than a half dozen ftp sites for NeXT software. The ones at > >>Purdue, Oregon State, and Maryland seem to be the most popular. > >> > >Here's something I bet not too many people have done with their amigas: > >Last week, I took a blank optical disk (from my cube at home) to one of the > >NeXTs located on campus. From there I ftped (is there such a verb?) to a > >NeXT site and downloaded everything from the /bin directory and whatever els > >I wanted - in total about 30 megs of stuff - onto my optical disk. Before I > >took out my optical drive, I decided to check how much of it was used up. > >14% used. NeXT is not what you hear about on comp.sys.amiga. Try it out an > >see. > > Varun Mitroo > > mitroo@cis.ohio-state.edu > > This Next thread gets more amusing by the minute. This must be one of the bes > yet :-) > > The following is an imaginary story since I can't afford an optical drive. > (they do exist for the amy) > > I went down to the store and bought all the optical disks they had. Then I > filled them with PD software. Then I phoned and ordered more disks. One day > I hope to start doing backups of my commercial software too, but first I > must find somewhere to buy more disks... > > Howzabout calling a truce until the machines are available off_the_shelf? > We can always harass those poor mac and pc owners that are really missing > out on the computer revolution :-) > > Regards, Jorgen > > -- Interesting... does that mean the Amiga is actually a threat to NeXT? Boy.. with Amiga UNIX coming out and the little review it got from BYTE.... maybe it is...... Victor