osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) (02/14/91)
In article <252u3744.666487783@fergvax> 252u3744@fergvax.unl.edu (Jerry Annin) writes: > John H. Osborn at osborn@cs.utexas.edu informed me of something >I didn't know. He told me that NeXT hasn't gotten into financing >because students are unimportant, and NeXT is ONLY REALLY INTERESTED IN I said that NeXT marketing focus seems to be towards faculty and staff. You may choose to read this as "students are unimportant." I, on the other hand, think that faculty and staff have more money to buy expensive computers. Tell me, does Sun woo students to buy SparcStations at your school? >FACULTY AND STAFF. I do not appreciate mock sympathy! I am a student >and I realize that there are teachers who are completely consumed in >themselves, and worry nothing about TEACHING - only their reasearch. I >am disgusted at this concept. Is there University professors and >faculty that care about the actual job of teaching, or are students some >petty annoyance that get in their ways? I'm not sure what this has to do with NeXT computer systems. Perhaps you should talk with your professors. > Of course I'm exaggerating. My CS techers have been of the >topmost character - giving lots of free time to help students. It seems >that Mr/Dr Osborn feels differently about the role of instructors - >saying that the emphasis of Universities is teaching. Now I don't want >to start an ethics battle on this newsgroup but I would like replies on >a couple of things. Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with NeXT computers. > Other members of this newsgroup have given me a plethora of >starting places to find adequite financing. Granted it will still be >REALLY hard to get these to work. I was/am willing to put forth the Good luck. I waited over 2 years before I could afford to buy a machine. >effort because I thought that NeXT wanted students and I know I >wanted/want NeXT. If there is no place for students then WHY??? have NeXT doesn't want faculty, staff, students or businessmen. They want customers. Is this a hard concept to wrap your brain around, or are you just not thinking clearly? >people been so instructive in helping me - a lowly STUDENT. There do I >have a black mark on my forehead. P L E A S E tell me that I have >been lied to. Does NeXT and UTEXAS agree with this? I need to know if What makes you think I speak for NeXT or the University of Texas? >NeXT is interested in students and if we are being allowed a part of >higher education. I really disagree with what John Osbrn said and You seem to be making an intuitive leap right off the edge of the trampoline. Students can buy NeXT equipment at a discount, just like faculty. Clearly, therefore, you are "allowed a part of higher education." >implied. We might need a student revolt to reclaim the respect we >deserve. Education is important and I, for one, believe that students >are important and are worthy of education and this machine - if they can >WORK hard at want they want to acheive. Proper education helps prevent us from looking like a fool in public. > You probably want to e-mail me since parts of this do not apply >to this group directly. I am impressed by NeXT. I want a NeXT. And I So why are you posting? >am closer tha I have ever been to getting one. Is is all for naught? I >hope/believe that Osborn is a minority. I'm in lots of minorities. > Thanks for listening... No problem. > Jerry Annin is 252u3744@fergvax.unl.edu - -John H. Osborn -osborn@cs.utexas.edu
news@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Remote news user) (02/15/91)
In article <252u3744.666487783@fergvax> 252u3744@fergvax.unl.edu (Jerry Annin) writes: [ Paraphrasing- Is there a Santa Claus?] > > Thanks for listening... > > Jerry Annin is 252u3744@fergvax.unl.edu Yes Jerry, there is a Santa Claus! Seriously, I think NeXT cares about students. They set up the whole Campus Consultants with students... Not faculty or Staff. They wanted people out "in the field" who could relate to the needs of academia not from the point of view of $$$ of a campus bookstore, or the $$$ of grant money, but really to see how students would use their machines. The Campus Consultants are a good metric of NeXT's commitment to students. Pascal Chesnais, Research Specialist, Electronic Publishing Group Media Laboratory, E15-351, 20 Ames Street, Cambridge, Ma, 02139 (617) 253-0311 email: lacsap@plethora.media.mit.edu (NeXT)
osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) (02/15/91)
In article <5222@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> news@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Remote news user) writes: >Seriously, I think NeXT cares about students. They set up the whole Absolutely. I've had nothing but great experiences with the campus consultants here at UT. (And certainly, NeXT has been more than kind whenever I call their tech. support people.) This is one reason why I feel less nervous about spending so much money on a computer. (In other words, have you ever tried calling Apple tech support? :)) - -John H. Osborn -osborn@cs.utexas.edu
ddj@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) (02/15/91)
In article <252u3744.666487783@fergvax> 252u3744@fergvax.unl.edu (Jerry Annin) writes: > John H. Osborn at osborn@cs.utexas.edu informed me of something >I didn't know. He told me that NeXT hasn't gotten into financing >because students are unimportant, and NeXT is ONLY REALLY INTERESTED IN >FACULTY AND STAFF. DANGER! WARNING! DANGER! Don't make the assumption that he speaks for NeXT. Even if the address were "josborn@next.com" I wouldn't assume he spoke for NeXT. I doubt that NeXT considers the students unimportant (of course I don't speek for NeXT either). -- DdJ
kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard) (02/16/91)
In article <5222@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> news@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Remote news user) writes: >In article <252u3744.666487783@fergvax> 252u3744@fergvax.unl.edu (Jerry Annin) >writes: >[ Paraphrasing- Is there a Santa Claus?] >> >> Thanks for listening... >> >> Jerry Annin is 252u3744@fergvax.unl.edu > >Yes Jerry, there is a Santa Claus! > >Seriously, I think NeXT cares about students. They set up the whole >Campus Consultants with students... Not faculty or Staff. They wanted >people out "in the field" who could relate to the needs of academia >not from the point of view of $$$ of a campus bookstore, or the >$$$ of grant money, but really to see how students would use their >machines. The Campus Consultants are a good metric of NeXT's >commitment to students. > I agree with the above. NeXT does have a commitment to students. Also maybe nobody ever addressed them with the idea of a third party organization for financing. If nobody ever brings it to their attention the issue will never get answered. Before flaming someone (NeXT) in the future Jerry get a definitive answer first, sdaying if it is a possibility or not. -- /* -The opinions expressed are my own, not my employers. */ /* For I can only express my own opinions. */ /* */ /* Kent L. Shephard : email - kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com */