[comp.sys.next] Fujitsu installation problems...

mfi@serc.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Interrante) (02/15/91)

Hi,
I have a cube with an OD (when it was a demo at BL it had a 330mb
in it).  I just bought a Fujitsu 415mb from Fast access and installed
it.  The drive sits on top of the OD with the power cable on the
right.  When I plug the 25 pin flat cable (that comes out of the cpu
to the OD then to the HD) in and boot the cube says loading from OD
then immediatley tries to load off the network (which doent exist). If
I unplug the Fujitsu everything works.  I am pluging the cable into
the right most part of the 50 pins.  Note that flipping the cable
makes no difference.  Has anyone had such a problem on their disk?
Thanks,

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ice@wang.com (Fredrik Nyman) (02/15/91)

mfi@serc.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Interrante) writes:

> The drive sits on top of the OD with the power cable on the right.
> When I plug the 25 pin flat cable (that comes out of the cpu 
> to the OD then to the HD) in and boot the cube says loading from OD
> then immediatley tries to load off the network (which doent exist).

> If I unplug the Fujitsu everything works.  I am pluging the cable
> into the right most part of the 50 pins.  Note that flipping the
> cable makes no difference.  Has anyone had such a problem on their disk?

It sounds like your OD has a SCSI bus termination. Remove it and make
sure your Fujitsu has SCSI termination.

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cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) (02/16/91)

In article <b0w7j6.mlm@wang.com> ice@wang.com (Fredrik Nyman) writes:
|mfi@serc.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Interrante) writes:

|> The drive sits on top of the OD with the power cable on the right.
|> When I plug the 25 pin flat cable (that comes out of the cpu 
|> to the OD then to the HD) in and boot the cube says loading from OD
|> then immediatley tries to load off the network (which doent exist).

|It sounds like your OD has a SCSI bus termination. Remove it and make
|sure your Fujitsu has SCSI termination.

The OD is not a SCSI device, and has its own bus and cables.  Somewhere
there has to be another cable for the SCSI.  Also, a SCSI cable is 50
pins wide, not 25.  So look for the 50-pin connector on the mother
board, and try to follow it along toward the drive bay.

Maybe you will have to get another cable, if there isn't one already
present.  It's a straight 50-pin to 50-pin flat cable, pin 1 to pin 1 etc.
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louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) (02/16/91)

>> The drive sits on top of the OD with the power cable on the right.
>> When I plug the 25 pin flat cable (that comes out of the cpu 
>> to the OD then to the HD) in and boot the cube says loading from OD
>> then immediatley tries to load off the network (which doent exist).
>
>> If I unplug the Fujitsu everything works.  I am pluging the cable
>> into the right most part of the 50 pins.  Note that flipping the
>> cable makes no difference.  Has anyone had such a problem on their disk?
>
>It sounds like your OD has a SCSI bus termination. Remove it and make
>sure your Fujitsu has SCSI termination.


Gack!

The major problem here is that the OD is not a SCSI device.  That's
why plugging the OD cable (with its 25 pins) into the SCSI drive
doesn't do anything useful.  Because of this, the OD won't have "a
SCSI termination."

There is a 50 pin connected on the CPU board which is the SCSI port.
You need a 50 conductor cable with the appropriate connectors to
connect the SCSI port to the SCSI drive.

I'm surprised your machine still works.  Your clue should have been
plugging a cable into a connected and having pins "left over."
Flipping cables is also usually a bad idea, since the other set of
pins (for a SCSI cable, at least) are at ground potential.  This sort
of this isn't helpful for the components.  Then there's the matter of
the termination power that might be present on the disk drive.

Louis Mamakos

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mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) (02/17/91)

    The drive sits on top of the OD with the power cable on the right.
    When I plug the 25 pin flat cable (that comes out of the cpu 
    to the OD then to the HD) in and boot the cube says loading from OD
    then immediatley tries to load off the network (which doent exist).

whoa, you're in trouble boy.  the OD plugs into a completely different
connector on the processor board than the scsi devices; if you've got
one cable connected to both the OD and a scsi disk you're seriously
confused.  hope you haven't fried anything...
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