dc4f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Crimmins) (02/26/91)
this is pinched from the dow jones newswire. notice any workstation
vendors of interest missing from this list?
--dan.
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Dan Crimmins
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From: DowJones@andrew
To: bb+dow-jones@andrew
Subject: Hewlett-Packard - Sun Microsystems
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 91 13:11:49 -0500 (EST)
REDWOOD CITY, Calif. -DJ- Hewlett-Packard Co. and Sun Microsystems
Inc. said they signed a joint software development agreement with the
goal of allowing easy application interoperability on high-volume computers
in the 1990s.
In a joint press release, the companies said that as a result of the
agreement, users will be able to integrate data from systems made by
different vendors located on one or more networks.
Sun and Hewlett-Packard said they are undertaking several steps that
will lead to creation of a common software environment that will be broadly
available through licensing.
First, the two companies submitted a jointly developed object management
specification to an industry organization as a proposed standard. Next,
they agreed to work through standards bodies to promote interoperability
of NCS and ONC at the networking protocol level.
Also, the companies said they will make a common distributed application
environment for UNIX and other systems.
SunSoft Inc., a new system software subsidiary of Sun Microsystems,
and Hewlett-Packard are working together on this unified software environment
for UNIX, and for other systems such as DOS personal computers.
Sun and Hewlett-Packard said they will license their open software
technology to vendors of other UNIX software and hardware platforms,
thus extending the benefits of this technology to more computers and
applications.
UNIX is a registered trademark of UNIX Systems Laboratories Inc.,
ONC is a trademark ofn Microsystems and NCS is a trademark of National
Computer Systems Inc.
1:10 PMaHumanBeing@earth.planet.universe (02/26/91)
In article <cbmJf=G00io344Q1F8@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Crimmins) writes:
this is pinched from the dow jones newswire. notice any workstation
vendors of interest missing from this list?
nope.haroldt@paralandra.yorku.ca (Harold Tomlinson) (02/26/91)
In article <cbmJf=G00io344Q1F8@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Crimmins) writes: > this is pinched from the dow jones newswire. notice any workstation > vendors of interest missing from this list? > > --dan. Do you mean Digital Equipment? Or perhaps IBM? Perhaps (who make the Cray anyway?) ... oh ya, you did say 'workstation'. Does that exclude all the 386's running version of Unix (or IBM's AIX). How about Apollos or Mips? There is, of course, NeXt. I assume that was the answer you were looking for, but, I don't quite get the point. > REDWOOD CITY, Calif. -DJ- Hewlett-Packard Co. and Sun Microsystems > Inc. said they signed a joint software development agreement with the > goal of allowing easy application interoperability on high-volume computers > in the 1990s. Shame, does this mean that HP is going to make all thier machines SysV as well? Thanks, but I'd rather follow Next and Digital (and OSF) with Mach and OSF1. > In a joint press release, the companies said that as a result of the > agreement, users will be able to integrate data from systems made by > different vendors located on one or more networks. I thought we did that already? :) > Sun and Hewlett-Packard said they are undertaking several steps that > will lead to creation of a common software environment that will be broadly > available through licensing. Yet another version of Unix (sysV based). > UNIX is a registered trademark of UNIX Systems Laboratories Inc., > ONC is a trademark ofn Microsystems and NCS is a trademark of National > Computer Systems Inc. > 1:10 PM -- ====================================================================== === Harold Tomlinson === == Computing and Communications Services == = YORK UNIVERSITY = = haroldt@paralandra.yorku.ca = = 416- 736-5257-33802 = ======================================================================
mahesh@caradhras.cc.nd.edu (Mahesh Subramanya) (02/27/91)
In article <HAROLDT.91Feb25174521@paralandra.yorku.ca>, haroldt@paralandra.yorku.ca (Harold Tomlinson) writes: |> |> In article <cbmJf=G00io344Q1F8@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Crimmins) writes: |> |> > this is pinched from the dow jones newswire. notice any workstation |> > vendors of interest missing from this list? |> > |> > --dan. |> |> Actually, this is quite interesting. While I was at USENIX, I got into a rather long discussion with a senior developer from HP. This was during a beerfest at the Pencom suite, so the details are sort of hazy, but it seems that some folks at HP are basically rewriting the whole NewWave environment in C, and are porting it to pretty much any machine that will take it. This includes Suns, Decs, 6000s, etc. The intention I believe is to make the whole NewWave environment (which is rather more than just a user interface. Theres also the whole concept of "agents" etc. etc.) available in a network independent && machine independent form. The n/w independence comes from the factthat NewWave agents will just as willingly access resources from a remote machine as a local one. (can you say "mach ports" anyone??). Theres a long list of features, etc., which I wont go into, but a point which this chappie made which was quite memorable was " I don't give a damn whether Sun, IBM or HP end up as king of the Hill. What we ought to watch out for is MicroSoft. As long as some flavour of UNIX takes it, its cool, but *me*? I want to bury those F**kers at Microsoft!!" A sentiment which I heartily echo.... -- ************************************************************************ Mahesh Subramanya INTERNET: mahesh@darwin.cc.nd.edu Senior Analyst Office of University Computing University of Notre Dame Voice: (219) 239-5600 x6421 Notre Dame, IN 46556 ************************************************************************
dlw@Atherton.COM (David Williams) (02/28/91)
In article <1991Feb26.192759.3442@news.nd.edu>, mahesh@caradhras.cc.nd.edu (Mahesh Subramanya) writes: In article <HAROLDT.91Feb25174521@paralandra.yorku.ca>, haroldt@paralandra.yorku.ca (Harold Tomlinson) writes: |> |> In article <cbmJf=G00io344Q1F8@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Crimmins) writes: |> |> > this is pinched from the dow jones newswire. notice any workstation |> > vendors of interest missing from this list? |> > |> > --dan. |> |> > Actually, this is quite interesting. While I was at USENIX, I >got into a rather long discussion with a senior developer from HP. This >was during a beerfest at the Pencom suite, so the details are sort of >hazy, but it seems that some folks at HP are basically rewriting the >whole NewWave environment in C, and are porting it to pretty much >any machine that will take it. This includes Suns, Decs, 6000s, etc. Well they'll port it after they finish it. Basically Distributed NewWave is at its core, just Apollo NCS 2.0. It will be trivial to port it to other unix platforms once it is completed. >The intention I believe is to make the whole NewWave environment (which is >rather more than just a user interface. Theres also the whole concept of >"agents" etc. etc.) available in a network independent && machine independent >form. The n/w independence comes from the factthat NewWave agents will >just as willingly access resources from a remote machine as a local one. >(can you say "mach ports" anyone??). Yes, but what will this provide above and beyond what one already has with nfs, sockets, Sun RPC and NCS 1.5? There is a notion of "presentation semantic split..but NewWave has no standard imaging model....like say Display PostScript. Imagine you have an compound "object"--say a document with a spreadsheet in it. The document was created locally on your local nextstation via WriteNow and the spreadsheet component was created and included from an HP pc clone which resides in London England. NewWave could let you access the sub object on the PC in London, but there is no provision for how you would view the "PC created" image on your nextstation. Consider the reverse a humble PC user somewhere on an internet who has a document which contains or references a PostScript object created and kept on a NeXTStation--if the PC does not have Display PostScript HOW will this user see or interact with this object? Perhaps HP will adapt DP as their standard imaging model as I lobbied when I worked in the architecture lab at HP for Distributed NewWave. > Theres a long list of features, etc., which I wont go into, but >a point which this chappie made which was quite memorable was >" I don't give a damn whether Sun, IBM or HP end up as king of the Hill. >What we ought to watch out for is MicroSoft. As long as some flavour In the PC arena HP has already lost the battle. Windows 3.0 while not having the functionality of DOS/NewWave is its competitor. MicroSoft has already won in terms of sales and installed base in terms of DOS/NewWave vs Windows 3. They are already cast FUD in terms of their direction for OOFS and how it would do what NewWave does. On the DOS front HP is at the mercy of MicroSoft as they depend on it for the OS (such as it is) and on Windows itself. >of UNIX takes it, its cool, but *me*? I want to bury those F**kers at >Microsoft!!" It will take more than just HP to bury MicroSoft. Bill Gates is a stud and his company is software killing machine. Look what they're planning to do to Go and its new product with PenWindows. Apple had to reign Claris back in to counter MicroSofts dominance on its platform. IBM can't even handle the boys from Redmond. As long as the idiots at OSF & Unix International keep whining at one another MicroSoft will rule the marketplace. Can HP and SunSoft succeed in this endeavor? Only time will tell. >A sentiment which I heartily echo.... Yeah, we're safe as long as NeXTStations/Cubes stay MicroSoft free. -- David Williams --------------------------------------------------------------------- #define flame_sheild "I know you are, but what am I?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- David Williams -- dlw@atherton.com -- (408) 734-9822 x291 Atherton Technology -- The CASE Repository/IPSE 1333 Bordeaux Drive Sunnyvale, CA 94089 AIX,SunOS,Ultrix,VMS *