iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) (03/26/91)
Does anyone know how I can get sources to NeXT's implementation of Gnu CC, preferably via anonymous ftp? I am particularly interested in replacing some of the C library routines with edited versions, so I would like to start out with the original versions (and preferably with instructions as to where the run-time linked library sources are supposed to sit in and how to replace them). /ivo
dejnsen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Nik Anthony Gervae) (03/26/91)
In article <835@mara.cognet.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: >Does anyone know how I can get sources to NeXT's implementation of Gnu >CC, preferably via anonymous ftp? I am particularly interested in >replacing some of the C library routines with edited versions, so I >would like to start out with the original versions (and preferably >with instructions as to where the run-time linked library sources are >supposed to sit in and how to replace them). > >/ivo From the Fall 1990 Registered Developers Price List: NeXT 2.0 GNU Source Code on Floppy Disks part # N5514 $150 List, $105 Developer Price I don't know if it's available by other means. (And hey, you can get the Mach source for a mere $10,000 either way! Wotta deal! ;-) Nik -- / Nik Gervae aka dejnsen@caen.engin.umich.edu | "It'll be finished next week, \ | CS/Linguistics stud. & NeRD at UM (go blow) | I promise!"--me | | | | | **When all else fails, bug someone who | "Just say an iguana chewed | \ knows (not me!). | up your textbook."--Jason Fox /
oneill@fornax.UUCP (Richard Oneill) (03/26/91)
In article <1991Mar26.043146.13521@engin.umich.edu> dejnsen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Nik Anthony Gervae) writes: >In article <835@mara.cognet.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: >>Does anyone know how I can get sources to NeXT's implementation of Gnu >>CC, preferably via anonymous ftp? ... > > From the Fall 1990 Registered Developers Price List: > NeXT 2.0 GNU Source Code on Floppy Disks part # N5514 > $150 List, $105 Developer Price > > I don't know if it's available by other means. (And hey, you can get the >Mach source for a mere $10,000 either way! Wotta deal! ;-) > > Nik I thought cc, cc++, ld and as were derived from Gnu sources, and as such they should (as far as I understand) come under the Gnu copyleft, i.e. they and their sources should be freely distributable. The Gnu copyleft says that NeXT '... may charge a distribution fee for the physical act of transferring a copy ...' but $150 for a few disks of 'free software' - this seems a bit steep to me. I'm surprised that noone has put these 'free' sources on nova.cs.purdue.edu or cs.orst.edu. Is it that after parting with $150, no one is willing to share...? Or is it another 'virtual product' ? Richard. P.S. Does anyone know if NeXT is going to upgrade its compilers etc to reflect the changes made in later Gnu versions, or are the NeXT ones frozen in time? -- Composing a suitably apt and witty .signature is left | oneill@fornax.UUCP as an exercise for the reader. | oneill@cs.sfu.ca
rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C.F. Antony) (03/26/91)
In article <1991Mar26.043146.13521@engin.umich.edu> dejnsen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Nik Anthony Gervae) writes: > I don't know if it's available by other means. (And hey, you can get the >Mach source for a mere $10,000 either way! Wotta deal! ;-) Well, thank you for using AT&T! Don't blame NeXT for this price tag. Ronald ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rca@cs.brown.edu or antony@browncog.bitnet
dejnsen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Nik Anthony Gervae) (03/27/91)
In article <69824@brunix.UUCP> rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C.F. Antony) writes: >In article <1991Mar26.043146.13521@engin.umich.edu> dejnsen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Nik Anthony Gervae) writes: >> I don't know if it's available by other means. (And hey, you can get the >>Mach source for a mere $10,000 either way! Wotta deal! ;-) > >Well, thank you for using AT&T! >Don't blame NeXT for this price tag. > >Ronald Hey, no slam against NeXT intended (notice the ;-). Heck, I *worship* the roads those slabs and cubes travel on their way to customers.... I know *I* couldn't afford that price tag, though. How does AT&T come into this? I thought it was just the source for Mach, not all of UNIX--and isn't Mach by CMU? -- / Nik Gervae aka dejnsen@caen.engin.umich.edu | "It'll be finished next week, \ | CS/Linguistics stud. & NeRD at UM (go blow) | I promise!"--me | | | | | **When all else fails, bug someone who | "Just say an iguana chewed | \ knows (not me!). | up your textbook."--Jason Fox /
scott@mcs-server.gac.edu (Scott Hess) (03/27/91)
In article <835@mara.cognet.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes:
Does anyone know how I can get sources to NeXT's implementation of Gnu
CC, preferably via anonymous ftp? I am particularly interested in
replacing some of the C library routines with edited versions, so I
would like to start out with the original versions (and preferably
with instructions as to where the run-time linked library sources are
supposed to sit in and how to replace them).
Well, the 1.0 cc and other GNU stuff was availiable, and presumably the
2.0 stuff will be, too. They have to.
But, this won't help with the library routines. All you get is the
compiler itself. Not even the standard c libraries are included.
Later,
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"I smoke the nose Lucifer . . . Banana, banana."bennett@mp.cs.niu.edu (Scott Bennett) (03/27/91)
In article <1991Mar26.192636.6482@engin.umich.edu> dejnsen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Nik Anthony Gervae) writes: >In article <69824@brunix.UUCP> rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C.F. Antony) writes: >>In article <1991Mar26.043146.13521@engin.umich.edu> dejnsen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Nik Anthony Gervae) writes: >>> I don't know if it's available by other means. (And hey, you can get the >>>Mach source for a mere $10,000 either way! Wotta deal! ;-) >> [text deleted --SJB] >>Ronald > > [more deleted --SJB] > How does AT&T come into this? I thought it was just the source for >Mach, not all of UNIX--and isn't Mach by CMU? To get MACH source, you need a 4.3BSD source license from U.C. Berkeley. To get a 4.3BSD source license, you need a System 32/V, or more recent, source license from AT&T. This seems a good example of the kind of question that should be dealt with in comp.unix.questions, not here. People new to UNIX and people who are UNIX users, but not UNIX systems programmers/adminis- trators, really should be paying attention to comp.unix.questions. They might also find the book of UNIX {trivia, history, practical info} (sorry, I can't seem to recall the title and the book is at home) by Don Libes and Sandy Ressler to be a worthwhile addition to their library. >-- >/ Nik Gervae aka dejnsen@caen.engin.umich.edu | "It'll be finished next week, \ >| CS/Linguistics stud. & NeRD at UM (go blow) | I promise!"--me | >| | | >| **When all else fails, bug someone who | "Just say an iguana chewed | >\ knows (not me!). | up your textbook."--Jason Fox / Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG Systems Programming Northern Illinois University DeKalb, Illinois 60115 ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett@cs.niu.edu * * BITNET: A01SJB1@NIU * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "Well, I don't know, but I've been told, in the heat of the sun * * a man died of cold..." Oakland, 19 Feb. 1991, first time since * * 25 Sept. 1970!!! Yippee!!!! Wondering what's NeXT... :-) * **********************************************************************
dan@gacvx2.gac.edu (03/27/91)
In article <1991Mar27.015910.8369@mp.cs.niu.edu>, bennett@mp.cs.niu.edu (Scott Bennett) writes: > This seems a good example of the kind of question that should be > dealt with in comp.unix.questions, not here. People new to UNIX and > people who are UNIX users, but not UNIX systems programmers/adminis- > trators, really should be paying attention to comp.unix.questions. > They might also find the book of UNIX {trivia, history, practical > info} (sorry, I can't seem to recall the title and the book is at home) > by Don Libes and Sandy Ressler to be a worthwhile addition to their > library. Is the book by Don Libes and Sandy Ressler you are refering to called "Life with UNIX"? Its ISBN number is 0-13-536657-7. It is a really good book. -- Dan Boehlke Internet: dan@gac.edu Campus Network Manager BITNET: dan@gacvax1.bitnet Gustavus Adolphus College St. Peter, MN 56082 USA Phone: (507)933-7596
fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer) (03/28/91)
>>>>> On 26 Mar 91, dejnsen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Nik Anthony Gervae) said:
Nik> From the Fall 1990 Registered Developers Price List:
Nik> NeXT 2.0 GNU Source Code on Floppy Disks part # N5514
Nik> $150 List, $105 Developer Price
OK, so NeXT won't put this on FTP, but since the software is under the
GNU license, those that have a copy a free to share. Anyone with a
copy feel like making it available for FTP?
Anyway, since NeXT have given their modifications and Obj-C
implementation back to the FSF, it will all show up in GCC 2.0. This
is really a nice move by NeXT, and it could prove to be a nice move
for Obj-C, too.
/Lars
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