jasmerb@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Bryce Jasmer) (01/17/90)
From the Jan. 16th (1990) issue of MacWeek: "Informix has promised that Wingz, introduced on the Mac last February, will be delivered on OS/2, Windows, NeXT and many other flavors of UNIX by the end of this year." I hope that they don't mean that Wingz for the NeXT will come out at the end of the year. I remember when the NeXT first came out that everyone was clamoring for a spreadsheet. I haven't heard that much lately. Is everyone still waiting for a spreadsheet before they buy a NeXT or are they wanting something more now? Bryce Jasmer jasmerb@cs.orst.edu
dorner@pequod.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Dorner) (01/17/90)
In article <14932@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> jasmerb@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Bryce Jasmer) writes: >From the Jan. 16th (1990) issue of MacWeek: >"Informix has promised that Wingz, introduced on the Mac last February, >will be delivered on OS/2, Windows, NeXT and many other flavors of UNIX >by the end of this year." > >I hope that they don't mean that Wingz for the NeXT will come out at >the end of the year. I have seen what is supposedly the "release version" of WingZ; our NeXT rep had a copy. I saw it run, but no more. -- Steve Dorner, U of Illinois Computing Services Office Internet: s-dorner@uiuc.edu UUCP: {convex,uunet}!uiucuxc!dorner IfUMust: (217) 244-1765
kdp9565@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Keith D. Perkins) (01/18/90)
In article <14932@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> jasmerb@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Bryce Jasmer) writes: >I hope that they don't mean that Wingz for the NeXT will come out at >the end of the year. > >I remember when the NeXT first came out that everyone was clamoring for >a spreadsheet. I haven't heard that much lately. Is everyone still >waiting for a spreadsheet before they buy a NeXT or are they wanting >something more now? According to the newest Byte Mag. (the one with the awards) the NeXT will soon have 3 spreadsheets, one of which is already out. Look in the beginning of the mag. where they talk about the industry. There is also an article reviewing the NeXT running 1.0 (they forgot that Framemaker is out for the NeXT in the article, but otherwise it seemed fairly accurate). Keith Perkins kdp9565@doc.cc.utexas.edu > >Bryce Jasmer >jasmerb@cs.orst.edu
dcarpent@sjuphil.uucp (D. Carpenter) (01/18/90)
In article <1990Jan17.152120.12422@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dorner@pequod.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Dorner) writes: >In article <14932@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> jasmerb@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Bryce Jasmer) writes: >>From the Jan. 16th (1990) issue of MacWeek: >>"Informix has promised that Wingz, introduced on the Mac last February, >>will be delivered on OS/2, Windows, NeXT and many other flavors of UNIX >>by the end of this year." >> >>I hope that they don't mean that Wingz for the NeXT will come out at >>the end of the year. > >I have seen what is supposedly the "release version" of WingZ; our NeXT >rep had a copy. I saw it run, but no more. >-- The latest issue of InfoWorld says that the NeXT version of Wingz will be shipping in March. -- =============================================================== David Carpenter dcarpent@sjuphil.UUCP St. Joseph's University dcarpent@sjuphil.sju.edu Philadelphia, PA 19131 ST_JOSEPH@HVRFORD.BITNET
sfrank@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steven Frank) (07/11/90)
To order an educational version of Wingz for the NeXT, call Campus Technology at 1-800-543-8188. The educational price is $199. I just ordered a copy, so I have not seen the software running yet.
iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) (11/27/90)
WingZ is alive and well. I have had the release copy for months now, although I got it because I was beta-testing. If you have not received your copy, it should be a glitch in their ordering system. WingZ is a real nice, but standard spreadsheet, with some limitations. In particular, some features are not quite intuitive (in particular, why I can't highlight three columns and select a 3-dim graph), and speed was a problem on the 68030 cube. WingZ should fly on the 68040 cube. Although I am happy to also receive Improv, I am a bit sorry for Informix and Ashton Tate. After all, how can they compete with a free product? I wish that NeXT were to give people a choice between WingZ, Ashton Tate's spreadsheet, and Improv. After all, Informix and Ashton Tate have also invested money in porting to and thus helping NeXT, and seem to get screwed now. Maybe Ashton Tate and Informix will decide to sell a non-upgradeable version of their spreadsheet for real cheap now in order to build enough marketshare and customers to be able to compete in the future. /ivo welch
cbradley@Busl.COM (Chris Bradley) (11/29/90)
In article <699@mara.cognet.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: >Although I am happy to also receive Improv, I am a bit sorry for Informix and >Ashton Tate. After all, how can they compete with a free product? Fortunately for Informix and for Ashton-Tate, the Improv-for-free promotion is for a limited time only. (I bet the Improv product managers are happy about that, too! :-) The promotion is supposed to end on 12/31/90. Having used the Improv code since "BackBay release 81", I believe that Improv offers a significant and important advance in modeling tools for a certain segment of the planning public. I don't believe that it is the right tool for >everyone< who uses row-and-column spreadsheets today, but I think that a substantial number of planners will find it to be their first choice of modeling tools. Everyone who uses a spreadsheet today should see this, if only to understand what Improv offers. Not everyone will fall in love with it, but some will -- I did! -- Chris Bradley | "Nothing is more certain than incertainties; Businessland Advanced Systems | Fortune is full of fresh variety: Dallas, Texas US | Constant in nothing but inconstancy." cbradley@busl.com | -- Richard Barnfield 1574-1627
glang@Autodesk.COM (Gary Lang) (12/10/90)
>After all, how can they compete with a free product?
By doing a different one. Powerstep and Wingz are full blown applications
development environments, Improv is not touted as such. This is fundamental
because it enables Wingz and Powerstep to be used as development platforms
by third parties, not just an analysis tool.
All really successful software packages turn out to have development
environments on top of which the highest percentage of use of these
packages are experienced. Examples:
1-2-3
dBASE
Hypercard
WP
Word (macros, style sheets and now WordBasic)
Excel
etc.
Informix and A-T can do very well with these products.
Frankly, Lotus has done more for NeXT over the past 2 years than
either A-T or Informix have. They've consistently let Frank King
be photographed with a NeXT on his desk talking about it (largely
to divert attention from Windows one might suspect but still..),
manzi has constantly talked up the cube, etc. Ask yourself, who
is the AA-T equivalen to King? Hmm.. O.K. so he probably hasn't talked
about the cube much has he?
Lotus and NeXT have a nice symbiosis going that few hardware and
software vendors seem to have these days.
BTW, I have Wingz and have seen the other 2 (haven't received upgrade
yet) and can safely say that while it is a great product, it is the
least NeXT-like of the 3.
- gzimmer@calvin.stanford.edu (Andrew Zimmerman) (03/31/91)
In article <1991Mar31.004745.173@gacvx2.gac.edu> dan@gacvx2.gac.edu writes: >In article <70370@brunix.UUCP>, rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C.F. Antony) writes: >> WingZ runs as perfectly as ever (what ever that means) on the NeXT >> even under 2.0. I'm doing this right now, so if Informix can tell me >> why they think it does not work under 2.0, I'd be interested... > >I have been running WingZ under 2.0 on a 030 cube and have discovered some >problems. They are minor. When I use borders I loose the outside lines when I >print. Edges of graphics get cut off too. I have not tried running it on a >NeXTstation. I wonder if some of the 040 problems would affect its >calcuations. >Dan Boehlke Internet: dan@gac.edu >Campus Network Manager BITNET: dan@gacvax1.bitnet >Gustavus Adolphus College >St. Peter, MN 56082 USA Phone: (507)933-7596 It may be that the old Wingz for NS 1.0 will run under NS 2.0 on a 030 cube. (After all, they are supposed to be object compatible.) The person I talked to did say that it wasn't supported on the NeXTStation. ie, an 040. For those of you running Wingz, is there any way to get EPS out of it? I want to be able to use Wingz graphs in LaTeX or TeX. BTW, is there a GNU spreadsheet? I've heard rumors... Andrew zimmer@calvin.stanford.edu
bennett@mp.cs.niu.edu (Scott Bennett) (04/01/91)
In article <1991Mar31.080622.24467@neon.Stanford.EDU> zimmer@calvin.stanford.edu (Andrew Zimmerman) writes: >In article <1991Mar31.004745.173@gacvx2.gac.edu> dan@gacvx2.gac.edu writes: >>In article <70370@brunix.UUCP>, rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C.F. Antony) writes: >>> WingZ runs as perfectly as ever (what ever that means) on the NeXT >>> [text deleted --SJB] > >BTW, is there a GNU spreadsheet? I've heard rumors... I don't know about a GNU spreadsheet, but there is a *simple*, but working, spreadsheet calculator called (what else?:-) "sc" that you can pick up for free from the comp.sources.unix archives at uunet. > >Andrew >zimmer@calvin.stanford.edu Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG Systems Programming Northern Illinois University DeKalb, Illinois 60115 ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett@cs.niu.edu * * BITNET: A01SJB1@NIU * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "Well, I don't know, but I've been told, in the heat of the sun * * a man died of cold..." Oakland, 19 Feb. 1991, first time since * * 25 Sept. 1970!!! Yippee!!!! Wondering what's NeXT... :-) * **********************************************************************
ddj@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) (04/02/91)
In article <1991Mar31.080622.24467@neon.Stanford.EDU> zimmer@calvin.stanford.edu (Andrew Zimmerman) writes: >BTW, is there a GNU spreadsheet? I've heard rumors... I belive it's called Oleo and is in alpha or beta testing right now. I'm using "sc" in the meantime. Oleo is supposed to be able to read sc spreadsheet files. -- Doug DeJulio ddj@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu