[comp.sys.next] Questions

cole@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (Robert Cole) (11/02/88)

 questions for NeXT gurus:

1.  NeXT Mail - It appears to be enhancements to UNIX Mail.  What
happens when you send mail to someone on another system and their system
is down?  Does the NeXT machine retry several times or just fail?  At
Educom, my dean asked questions about the mail system and was told that
you had to be logged into a mainframe and write your own interface for
the NeXT mail system to the mainframe.  It doesn't sound at all like it
looks!  Any true insights out there?

2.  Is there a "Digital Library Kit"?  Something that allows the user to
build his or her own digital library somewhat like the on-line docs?  I
have a faculty member who wants to put multi-megabytes of text on line
and reference it - can this be done with the library capabilities?

Robert Cole
cole@silver
cole@iubacs  bitnet
cole@gold.bacs.indiana.edu  internet

bob@allosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield) (11/03/88)

In article <2594@silver.bacs.indiana.edu> cole@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (Robert Cole) writes:
>1.  NeXT Mail - It appears to be enhancements to UNIX Mail.  What
>happens when you send mail to someone on another system and their
>system is down?  Does the NeXT machine retry several times or just
>fail?

Sendmail queues mail for later delivery if attempts fail, and will
retry for several days.  Very standard stuff, been around for ages.
DEC has even begun shipping a VMS mailer agent that can deliver if the
destination DECnet host is down!  It must be a good idea :-)

>At Educom, my dean asked questions about the mail system and was told
>that you had to be logged into a mainframe and write your own
>interface for the NeXT mail system to the mainframe.

That must be if you want a NeXT interface to the mainframe's mail
system, with voice and pictures and everything.  I'd be inclined to
let the mainframe users do their own thing, and let them do RFC822 if
they want to talk to me - that's the way it works already.
-=-
Zippy sez,								--Bob
I selected E5...  but I didn't hear ``Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs''!

phd_ivo@gsbacd.uchicago.edu (03/06/90)

Did anybody ever succeed in porting G++ to the NeXT?

Is there another software release from NeXT, or will System 1.0
be the final edition (I know: hypothetically, yes)? WHEN?

Is there another hardware release from NeXT (Ik:hy). WHEN?
Is there more than just rumor about the expected upgrading
price?

Would you recommend a good friend to buy NeXT given these two
previous questions? Is NeXT loosing its market fast because of its
tight-lipped policies?

Is there a complete list of program available for the NeXT for
purchase (e.g. statistical software)? Or is it still so short
as "S" and |stat only?

/ivo	ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu

dennisg@kgw2.bwi.WEC.COM (Dennis Glatting) (03/08/90)

In article <7866@tank.uchicago.edu> phd_ivo@gsbacd.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Did anybody ever succeed in porting G++ to the NeXT?
>
>/ivo	ivo@next.agsm.ucla.edu

yes, i did.  
go ahead and compile everything.  don't compile ld++.  trick make into
thinking it is made.  ld++ is where the problem is.

you need to get a piece of software called NeXTgather.  you get it from me.
it may be included in the next release of g++.  the company i work for is
donating it to the FSF.  i've seen the paper work.

NeXTgather is much like collect.c and collect2.c.  it gathers the 
constructors/destructors which is the vital function that ld++ does;
otherwise, ld++ is the same ad ld.  not that the ld on the NeXT is GNU ld
so you're 95% done.

i've ran several of the test suites with g++ on the NeXT.  they worked.
the ones that didn't work are the ones that are currently being complained
about in gnu.g++.bug.

oh, i almost forgot.  cpp from cccp.c (the c preprocessor from gcc) needs
to be modified to handle the #import statement.  the stuff in /usr/include
is littered with them.  however you should be able to use the cpp that
comes with the NeXT.


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declan@romulus.rutgers.edu (Declan McCullagh/LZ) (11/06/90)

In an earlier message, Felix A. Lugo (coco@ihlpb.att.com) writes:

        1.  What is the speed of the SIMMS in the 030 and 040 NeXT cube?
            I need suggestions on obtaining SIMMS to expand my 030
            cube, but I want to make sure that I will be able to use
            them on the 040 board!

The NeXTcube and the NeXTstation require 100 ns SIMMs.  Using faster memory
will not improve performance, but is probably a good idea in planning for
the future.  The NeXTstation color requires different SIMM speeds and
types.

        2.  Since the NeXT power supply adjusts to different voltages, would
            I need to connect a surge protector, or does it supply its own
            surge protection?

It's never a bad idea to use a surge protector - after all, a $50 surge
protector represents only 1% of a $5,000 computer system.  Use one.

        3.  Is the Lotus Improv' promotion available to buyers who
            just got 030 NeXT cubes, or do I have to upgrade to the 040?

It's available to anyone who purchases an upgrade to the 68040 board
or a new 68040-based NeXT system.

        4.  Where can I find an implementation of a 9600 baud modem using
            the DSP chip?  Does it exist?

Not yet, though at least two companies are in the process of writing one.

        5.  Where can I obtain optical floppies?  What do they cost?

About $150 each.  Try Businessland or a campus reseller.  Or perhaps
NeXTconnection.

        6.  I understand there was a problem with the optical drive getting
            too much dust from the internal fan, what resulted from this?
            What do I need to clean an optical drive?  How often
            should I clean it?  If I leave an optical floppy inserted
            in the drive, will it help reduce the dust problem?

68040 upgrades and new cubes come with dust filters, which should eliminate
any problems.

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ls1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Leonard John Schultz) (11/07/90)

On 05-Nov-90 in Questions...                 
user Declan McCullagh/LZ@romu writes:
>        4.  Where can I find an implementation of a 9600 baud modem using
>            the DSP chip?  Does it exist?
> 
>Not yet, though at least two companies are in the process of writing one.

Can someone explain to me how this would work?  What companies are
working on this?  Do you know their phone number?

richf@adiron.UUCP (Rick Fanta) (11/08/90)

ls1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Leonard John Schultz) writes:

>On 05-Nov-90 in Questions...                 
>user Declan McCullagh/LZ@romu writes:
>>        4.  Where can I find an implementation of a 9600 baud modem using
>>            the DSP chip?  Does it exist?
>> 
>>Not yet, though at least two companies are in the process of writing one.

>Can someone explain to me how this would work?  What companies are
>working on this?  Do you know their phone number?

I'd like to know what additional HW (and SW) is needed to implement a modem if
someone has a chance.

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zimmer@calvin.stanford.edu (Andrew Zimmerman) (03/11/91)

A couple of questions for the NeXT gurus that read this group.

1.  Is the mouse port connector documented in any of the manuals?
     (The one on the back of he keyboard.)

2.  I am able to get a mouseDown event.  Is it possible to distinguish 
    between the left button, the right button, and a chord of both buttons?
    Also, can I get an event for both the button press and the button
    release?

3.  Does the codec microphone go through the DSP chip?  Any info on the
    Freq. response of the microphone signal (after the microphone).  Does
    the signal go through a Low Pass filter with a cutoff of ~4kHz?

4.  Is it possible to listen to the signal that is being recorded (At the
    same time?)

5.  Is 32KB the only DSP Memory Expansion available?
    (Most of the 56000 manuals say that the 56000 is a 10 Mips chip.  I have
    also seen estimates that the 68040 is a 15 Mips chip.)  How does the
    56000 compare to the 68040?  I do realize that the DSP chip is optimized
    for certain operations...

Couple of comments:
1.  Improv looks pretty nice.  However, it would be nice if one could give 
    a block of cells as the labels for the x axis.

2.  NeXT must repackage the 2.88 Meg disks that they sell in a 5-pack.  They
    come in a little cardboard box that has the NeXT lego on it.  So, if you
    have a NeXT T-shirt, a NeXT mug, you have to get a 5-pack of disks.
    (Of course, if we were really loyal, we would go get NeXT tattoos like the
    Harley Davidson loyalist do :-)

Andrew
zimmer@calvin.stanford.edu

scott@texnext.gac.edu (Scott Hess) (03/12/91)

In article <1991Mar11.115135.5482@neon.Stanford.EDU> zimmer@calvin.stanford.edu (Andrew Zimmerman) writes:
   2.  I am able to get a mouseDown event.  Is it possible to distinguish 
       between the left button, the right button, and a chord of both buttons?
       Also, can I get an event for both the button press and the button
       release?

In Views (well, any Responder), you can override - rightMouseDown:
to get the right mouse down event.  You can also override mouseUp:
and rightMouseUp:.  You _might_ have to work with the window's
event mask to get this stuff right (the event mask determines what
events can get through).

To detect both down, you'll probably have to use PSbuttondown() and
PSrightbuttondown() (from /usr/include/dpsclient/wraps.h) to detect
when the "other" button goes down.  Might want to include a
slight delay to give the user time for this.

[Note:  As you might guess, this all means that there's no straightforward
 way to see if both buttons are down.  But it can be done, albeit in a
 fairly kludgy manner . . .] 

     (Of course, if we were really loyal, we would go get NeXT tattoos like the
     Harley Davidson loyalist do :-)

You don't?  :-)

Later,
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scott hess                      scott@gac.edu
Independent NeXT Developer	GAC Undergrad
<I still speak for nobody>
"Tried anarchy, once.  Found it had too many constraints . . ."
"I smoke the nose Lucifer . . . Banana, banana."

esht_cif@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eran Shtiegman) (04/09/91)

I have a couple of questions:

1.  I can no longer get the workspace to read ms-dos disks that I format.
After BuildDos is done the workspace goes busy for about 5 minutes and then
says the floppy is unreadable.  I have no idea what has happened because I have
allready done this once a while ago.

2.  How do quit kermit when you have connected.  When I press escape c nothing
happens since when you press escape it tries to fill in missing text.  What
do I change the escape-character number to?

Thanks,
Eran
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