mfriedel@slate.mines.colorado.edu (04/03/91)
I have had my colorstation for some week now, and I didn't miss my X workstation at all. Actually I don't really want to go back anymore , but there are a few features I would like to see on the NeXT. In the moment color support in general is a bit lacking. Although a bunch of the newer Apps have some kind of support build in, it is very noticeable that the color features haven't been tested thoroughly. Anyway one of the things I would like to have in the moment is a terminal emulator in which I could specify the color of the background, font, border etc. Does anyone know if the source for maybe stuart or so is available so I could modify it ? Just black and white (or various shades of gray) get a little dull after a while. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ No user serviceable part inside. Warranty void if opend modified or tampered with. No batteries included.
scott@texnext.gac.edu (Scott Hess) (04/04/91)
In article <1991Apr03.112138.37367@slate.mines.colorado.edu> mfriedel@slate.mines.colorado.edu writes:
In the moment color support in general is a bit lacking. Although a
bunch of the newer Apps have some kind of support build in, it is
very noticeable that the color features haven't been tested thoroughly.
Anyway one of the things I would like to have in the moment is a
terminal emulator in which I could specify the color of the background,
font, border etc. Does anyone know if the source for maybe stuart or so
is available so I could modify it ? Just black and white (or various
shades of gray) get a little dull after a while.
You're about the third (or was that 30th?) person to request something
of the sort. Since Stuart still doesn't even support modification of
the grays, this is a little ways off. The biggest problem I see for
color support with Stuart is the apparent lack of a color machine in
my dorm room.
If anyone out there wishes to push color support in Stuart, feel free
to UPS me a colorstation. I'd want at least 24M of RAM, and a 400M
hard disk. PS: Don't expect the machine back anytime soon, either :-).
Later,
--
scott hess scott@gac.edu
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"I smoke the nose Lucifer . . . Banana, banana."glenn@heaven.woodside.ca.us (Glenn Reid) (04/06/91)
Scott Hess writes > In article <1991Apr03.112138.37367@slate.mines.colorado.edu> mfriedel@slate.mines.colorado.edu writes: > If anyone out there wishes to push color support in Stuart, feel free > to UPS me a colorstation. I'd want at least 24M of RAM, and a 400M > hard disk. PS: Don't expect the machine back anytime soon, either :-). You don't really need a color machine to support color in your App. I added color support to TouchType on a black-and-white machine, and never even saw it in color until much later, when someone from NeXT was demoing it and I got to watch :-) I said something like "hey, that's pretty neat. I've never seen it in color before." I got a couple of strange looks. Colors are supplied by the color panel, and they are accurate as far as that goes. If you see something change gray levels (on your B&W system) when you apply a color, it's working. There really isn't that much to it at the interface level. You only have to modify your data structures to have someplace to store the color and tweak your drawing routines a little bit, to use "setrgbcolor" or "NXSetColor()" (even better--supports all the color models). By the way, it is NOT a good idea to use different background colors in a window, or to change the window border, or the color of fonts. It is a violation of the user interface guidelines, and not worth it. If you want that kind of color support, buy an Amiga :-) Stuart is a terminal emulator, and I can't think of a single good reason why you should be able to change colors in a terminal emulator, other than to amuse yourself. Color is reserved for the CONTENTS of a window, and should be used only for things that really are colored, or for better illustration/rendering (as in CAD or scientific visualization). Color should not be used, in general, for elements of the user interface. This is as it should be. -- Glenn Reid RightBrain Software glenn@heaven.woodside.ca.us NeXT/PostScript developers ..{adobe,next}!heaven!glenn 415-851-1785 (fax 851-1470)
death@public.BTR.COM (David Burrowes death@btr.com) (04/06/91)
>want that kind of color support, buy an Amiga :-) Stuart is a terminal >emulator, and I can't think of a single good reason why you should be able >to change colors in a terminal emulator, other than to amuse yourself. Let me first say that 99% of the time I agree totally. Color tends to be abused too much. However, the one thing that I miss from my work with some Xwindows systems is the ability to make the space that my text is appearing on to be a very very light gray (my background color, if you will). I think the reasons for this are even justified. Screens, even the lovely megapixel display, have a contrast that gradually gets to be less than pleasant when looking at gobs of unformatted text on their white background. By making it ever so slightly grey, I generally felt like I was putting a wee bit less stress on my eyes. I dont really care if I can make my text red, or purple with black polkadots. But I get happy when I can change the shade of the background that my text appears on. (or, at least my eyes get happier =) \david john burrowes death@btr.com
jacob@gore.com (Jacob Gore) (04/07/91)
/ comp.sys.next / glenn@heaven.woodside.ca.us (Glenn Reid) / Apr 5, 1991 / > Stuart is a terminal > emulator, and I can't think of a single good reason why you should be able > to change colors in a terminal emulator, other than to amuse yourself. I'd leave my terminal black on white too, but I'd like to use yellow to highlight selections. > it is NOT a good idea to use different background colors in > a window, or to change the window border, or the color of fonts. Some people complain that white background hurts their eyes. I don't think something like black on amber would affect the appearance of the fonts too much. Not any more than the mediocre color convergence on the 17" non-Sony monitors, or the lower dpi of the larger Sony monitors, I'd guess... Jacob -- Jacob Gore Jacob@Gore.Com boulder!gore!jacob
rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C.F. Antony) (04/09/91)
In article <468@heaven.woodside.ca.us> glenn@heaven.woodside.ca.us (Glenn Reid) writes: >By the way, it is NOT a good idea to use different background colors in >a window, or to change the window border, or the color of fonts. It is >a violation of the user interface guidelines, and not worth it. If you >want that kind of color support, buy an Amiga :-) Stuart is a terminal >emulator, and I can't think of a single good reason why you should be able >to change colors in a terminal emulator, other than to amuse yourself. > >Color is reserved for the CONTENTS of a window, and should be used only >for things that really are colored, or for better illustration/rendering >(as in CAD or scientific visualization). Color should not be used, in >general, for elements of the user interface. This is as it should be. The content of a terminal emulators window is the text. Even in WriteNow I would like to change the colors of text and paper. First I want to be able to get an impression how it would look if I printed a letter on colored paper, second I might have a ColorPS printer and want to output colored text, etc. Also, some do not only want to emulate a terminals esc-sequences but also their nice green-on-black look and feel. :-) Seriously, if you are working many hours on text editing on a NeXT, you sometimes wish you could give your eyes a break and look at something else for a while than the agressive white background. I'd often like to swich to black on light gray or maybe some unobtrusive color (if I had a color screen). I agree however that the GUI elements should remain uncolored, except for icons and warning messages. (If you are about to format your entire HD, an agressive red is not at the wrong place) Ronald ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rca@cs.brown.edu or antony@browncog.bitnet