[comp.sys.next] RFD: comp.sys.next reorganisation

lacsap@plethora.media.mit.edu (Pascal Chesnais) (05/13/91)

( please do NOT post anything pertaining to this discussion in
  this group, all FOLLOW-UPS are should be in NEWS.GROUPS!!!  )

**** REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION ON THE SPLITTING OF COMP.SYS.NEXT ****

There have been numerous complaints that the volume in comp.sys.next
has exceeded reasonable levels.  It has been suggested that splitting
the group would remedy the situation.  The number of postings suggests
that it is time to discuss the matter. A number of regular readers of
comp.sys.next have spent last week drafting an initial proposal for a
split.  Our intent was to provide the frame work in which this
discussion for a split can occur.  The first part deals with the
red-tape of such a discussion. The second deals with the motivation,
and a draft proposal.  The third part is a presentation of dissenting
point of views.  Our hope is that with such a format we can present an
objective argument to the readers of comp.sys.next such that when a
vote comes up readers have heard all the arguments.  Our
recommendation to those who wish to post on the subject is that they
limit their comments to new ideas and suggestions, rather than "me
too!" type postings or rehashing of ideas that have already been
presented.  People do listen to what is said and take it into
consideration when formulating their opinions on the subject.  Again
all follow-ups to this discussion must occur in news.groups and NOT
comp.sys.next!

For those of you who are not familiar with the guidelines of splitting
a newsgroup we suggest that you read news.announce.newusers, or get a
copy of How_to_Create_a_New_Newsgroup from plethora.media.mit.edu
(18.85.1.50) in pub/next/FAQ.

In drafting our proposal our intent was not to create a million
subgroups all with very little traffic.  However, we wanted the naming
to be open ended enough not to preclude an orderly growth.  Each group
will have a specific charter.  The initial proposal is to create ONLY
FOUR NEW GROUPS AT THIS TIME:

announce (moderated)
The purpose of this group would be to present readers with
announcements that are specific to the NeXT machine.  This includes
availability of sources, announcements from next and third party
suppliers, bug-reports, new user information...  This list optimally
should be moderated to prevent random postings to this subgroup.  It
is expected that most current comp.sys.next would subscribe to this
"noise free" list.

sysadmin
This group will focus its attention to the system administrative
aspect of a NeXT machines.

developer
This group will be devoted to issues relating to programming on the
NeXT.  IB, C++, Objective-C, ...  Porting of software...  This could
later be divided into more specific interests OS/graphics/...  This
group is _not_ a "registered developers only forum", but rather
development discussions.

discussion
It was pointed out that short lived special discussions had no place
to migrate to (CISC vs RISC, X vs DPS....)  This group would be where
follow up discussions would occur.  For this to work it is important
that posters include a followup-to: field in their posts to direct
discussions here when they know the issue will probably be long
winded.

The comp.sys.next will remain as the focus for initiating new
discussions about the next that immediately do not fall into any of
the above categories, or requires the attention of most of the
comp.sys.next population.

It was proposed that a separate subgroup be created for music,
graphics and hardware.  Our intent was to minimize the number
of subgroups created at the initial split, we recommend strongly
against creating these specialized groups at this time.

The above reflects discussion among a group of 30 comp.sys.next
readers over a period of week.  Not all were in favor of the split, in
fact there are those who are quite against a split.  It is important
in a discussion to listen to the concerns of the people against the
split.  Try to understand the points they are making.

Here are some comments/concerns as arguments against a split:

- - volume not that great in the first place
A 100 messages a day is not all that great, many other groups
have much more volume and can be easily followed.  A good
news reader helps deal with the volume by filtering out
discussions that are not important to the reader by subject
or even author.  News readers, like NewsGrazer, can sort all the
news by subject, making it easy to read news.

- - people who are calling for the split are not regular c.s.n. readers
Calls for splits are from new users who are overwhelmed by the initial 

startup volume with the group.

- - novice loses
Having only one group assures that the gurus and novice users
are communicating.  Splitting c.s.n. into many subgroups may
cause gurus to read only specific groups and  to miss many of 

the novice user's concerns.

- - cross-posting
Although cross posting usually does not add to volume of news
on disk, it does add to the volume of news that a user has to
read.  Most newsreaders do not understand that a news item
has been read in another newsgroup.  Splitting c.s.n into
too many groups would result in readers not knowing which
newsgroup to post and instead would cross-post to many.

- - volume reduction better achieved through education.
Much of the volume on c.s.n. could be reduced by
educating the readers.  For example, many readers
post "me too!" type responses that add nothing to the
discussion...  Concise messages that add new information
to discussions are generally the best postings.  Volume
could be best reduced if people replied *by mail* to
a poster who asks a question, and let the poster of
the question summarize the answers.  Also it is important
not to cross-post (look at what happens when you
cross post to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy!).

other comments not specifically against the splitting of the group:

- - special subgroup for music
Is needed since this is one unique aspect of the NeXT machine that
gets much neglected.  Having a special sub group would focus
discussions on this topic, and promote development.  In considering
splitting the group, it is important to remember that this
special interest group needs attention.

- - graphics subgroup
Is not really needed since it is already addressed in comp.graphics
and comp.language.postscript.  Any questions relating to the
NeXT programming environment is probably best addressed in the
developer subgroup.  If the volume of postings really grow
then we can consider splitting the developer
-- 
Pascal Chesnais, Research Specialist, Electronic Publishing Group
Media Laboratory, E15-351, 20 Ames Street, Cambridge, Ma, 02139 (617) 253-0311
email: lacsap@plethora.media.mit.edu (NeXT)