mlkaaden@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Michael Kaaden) (06/24/91)
Dear NeXTarians, since my old computer, an ATARI ST, has irreversibly been damaged while I tried to modify its hardware last week (shouldn't have done this - I knew I'm much more in software than in hardware), it seems I will have to get a new machine. As I'm a computer science student, main subject operating systems, I feel quite an attraction towards more powerful machines (typing this on a SUN SPARCstation 2). I read some very enthusiastic articles about the NeXT computers in some German magazines, so this machine looks quite interesting to me. The other machine I'd be interested in is the ATARI TT - please, no flames for that, but it's much cheaper, can run UNIX, too, and ... I can use ALL the soft- ware I already bought for my ST. And software for the NeXT isn't as cheap, is it? But to decide correctly, I will have to SEE one of these fantastic NeXTs and play a little bit with it, for example, to find out how fast it does its screen-redraw (could probably take long as it uses display-postscript, I bet). Sorry, if this question has already been answered many times before - I read this newsgroup for the first time in the middle of last week. So here it is: DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW ANY NAMES AND ADDRESSES OR PHONE NUMBERS OF STORES SELLING NeXTs INSIDE GERMANY??? Till now, i found NONE!!! HELP!!! Many thanks in advance. Michael --- ========================================================================= Michael Kaaden mlkaaden@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Rettystr. 20 "For every problem there is one solution W-8500 Nuernberg 30 which is neat, simple, and wrong." Germany H. L. Mencken ========================================================================
Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Gerhard Moeller) (06/25/91)
mlkaaden@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Michael Kaaden) writes: > Dear NeXTarians, > since my old computer, an ATARI ST, has irreversibly been damaged while >I tried to modify its hardware last week (shouldn't have done this - I >knew I'm much more in software than in hardware), it seems I will have to >get a new machine. As I'm a computer science student, main subject >operating systems, I feel quite an attraction towards more powerful machines >(typing this on a SUN SPARCstation 2). ^^^^^ Wow. (That's a _nice_ machine...) If you are fanatic in Sparcs, consider the Sparc Clones...(watch out for the next "iX magazine", a "Kommilitone" (don't know it in English) is writing an article about compatibility of them - (one of those testing machines is standing next to me...) > I read some very enthusiastic articles about the NeXT computers in some ^^^^ no, in ALL magazines. Because they would lie if they were NOT enthusiastic... ;-) >German magazines, so this machine looks quite interesting to me. The other ^^^^^^ You're kidding, aren't you??? >machine I'd be interested in is the ATARI TT - please, no flames for that, ^^^^^^^^ Actually I WAS interested in them, too. This was 2 years ago, when the 1st Next arrived in Germany (d'Art) But the TT took A LOOOOOONG while to arrive... And I had the oportunity to talk for a little while with the developer of the TT-Unix. About 2 (1.5) years ago as well. (Propably I was one of the 1st persons in Germany who played with it a little bit...) - But the Developer did not know what vt100 means, as I asked him if the TT can emulate this........... If you look at the performance - forget it. And: I took them YEARS to get it running - do you think it works now??? (BTW: In the next issue of iX or c't there will be a testing of the Amiga UX. - This machine iseven worse.) So if you want Unix - Get a Unix machine. If you want to play - Get a Amiga. If you want a cheap textsystem - Get Atari (ST!) If you want to get sick of it - Get an IBM. >but it's much cheaper, can run UNIX, too, and ... I can use ALL the soft- ^^^^^^^ wrongo. ^^^^^^^^ Yet another joke? ^^^ 3rd No. One more thing: The NeXT runs a 100% compatible (as I found so far) bsd Unix, mach based. So it knows about threads and other stuff and the kernel is much smaller than for example this up-blown ATT SYSVR4... >ware I already bought for my ST. And software for the NeXT isn't as cheap, >is it? The Next is not cheap - it is worth every buck you pay for it. (and actually even more than that.) In Germany you get the NeXT for less than 10000 DM if you're a student. (But you are) - In the US you pay 50%... BTW I paid 17.000 for a b/w slab, 800MB HDD, 20 MB RAM, 150 MB Archive Streamer, V32(bis), V42bis, MNP, etc. (and soon fax) Modem. > But to decide correctly, I will have to SEE one of these fantastic NeXTs ^^^ ######### YES! (I wonder how it comes that you have never seen one...where do yo live??) >and play a little bit with it, for example, to find out how fast it does its >screen-redraw (could probably take long as it uses display-postscript, I >bet). ^^^ ;-) Ok, 100 bucks? - You lost already! Sometimes I work on a sparc 1. I find the NeXT faster. Regardless if you run X11 or NextStep. The NeXT IS fast, believe me. (at least with 20MB ;-)) > Sorry, if this question has already been answered many times before - I >read this newsgroup for the first time in the middle of last week. So here >it is: > DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW ANY NAMES AND ADDRESSES OR PHONE NUMBERS OF >STORES SELLING NeXTs INSIDE GERMANY??? Till now, i found NONE!!! HELP!!! amg Industrie Consulting GmbH (Reseller) Solder Strasse 152 4600 Dortmund 41 Germany Contact: Michael Gobran Tel: 49 231 4049-1 Fax: 49 231 409312 ---- d'ART Computer GmbH (Reseller) Fleethorn 23 2300 Kiel 1 Germany Contact: Wilfried Beeck Tel: 49 431 92323 Fax: 49 431 92393 ---- DCS Informationssyteme-Software und Hardware (Reseller) Im Ermlisgrund 20-24 7517 Waldbronn Germany Contact: Felix Greve Tel: 49 7243 6002-0 Fax: 49 7243 6002-41 ---- Networx (Reseller in Berlin, Germany) Kaiser-Friedrich-Str. 3 1000 Berlin 10 Germany Tel.: 030 - 342 20 41 Fax: --- And megatel in Bremen (Fahrenheitstrasse, but the rest I forgot...) In Hamburg there is since the 1st of June either Networx, or d'Art or both...) There is a NeXT hotline 0130.... but I forgot the number. :( If you want to have it, email to me, I'll find out and send it to you... > Many thanks in advance. Null Problemo. Now, before I waste any more time and try to describe something that cannot be pressed in words without loosing the subject, - Just have a look at the NeXT... Gerhard -- +---------------------------< principiis obsta! >---------------------------+ | Gerhard Moeller, Teichstrasse 12, 2900 Oldenburg (FRG) [Geb. 02/21/68] | | inhouse: gimli!gemoe uucp: ...(unido!)uniol!gmoeller | |DOMAIN: gerhard.moeller@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de | |BITNET: gmoeller%arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de@DOLUNI1 (106495@DOLUNI1) | +-----------------------> the medium is the message <-----------------------+
wilfried@dart.de.mu.edu (06/25/91)
In article <1991Jun24.064729.5583@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> mlkaaden@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Michael Kaaden) writes: > DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW ANY NAMES AND ADDRESSES OR PHONE NUMBERS OF > STORES SELLING NeXTs INSIDE GERMANY??? Till now, i found NONE!!! HELP!!! Yes, there are about 40 authorized NeXT resellers in Germany. You should contact your regional NeXTcenter to get an address close to you. Here are the adresses of all seven german NeXTcenters: d'ART Computer GmbH 2000 Hamburg 20 Tel. 040-381926 post@dart.de NETWORX GmbH 1000 Berlin 10 Tel. 030-3422041 post@networx.de AMG Industrie Consulting GmbH 4600 Dortmund Tel. 0231-758046 post@amg.de DCS GmbH 7517 Waldbronn b. Karlsruhe Tel. 07243-60020 post@dcs.de UNIONZEISS GmbH 6000 Frankfurt/Main 60 Tel. 069-40871 Schuster+Walther GmbH 8500 Nuernberg Tel. 0911-2706657 Hauser GmbH 8045 Ismaning b. Muenchen Tel. 089-9612083 There's also a toll-free phone number of NeXT Germany: 0130-816398 And if you happen to be in Austria or Switzerland ... here are those NeXTcenters too: UNI-CONSULT GmbH A-5020 Salzburg Tel. 0662-387955 HARD+SOFT A-1010 Wien Tel. 0222-5134755 workstation ag CH-8152 Glattburg Tel. 01-8289555 Hope this helps. Wilfried Beeck wbeeck@dart.de
krarick@dakota (Kevin Rarick) (06/29/91)
In article <1991Jun24.064729.5583@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> mlkaaden@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Michael Kaaden) writes: > > > Dear NeXTarians, > > since my old computer, an ATARI ST, has irreversibly been damaged while > I tried to modify its hardware last week (shouldn't have done this - I > knew I'm much more in software than in hardware), it seems I will have to > get a new machine. As I'm a computer science student, main subject > operating systems, I feel quite an attraction towards more powerful machines > (typing this on a SUN SPARCstation 2). > I read some very enthusiastic articles about the NeXT computers in some > German magazines, so this machine looks quite interesting to me. The other > machine I'd be interested in is the ATARI TT - please, no flames for that, > but it's much cheaper, can run UNIX, too, and ... I can use ALL the soft- > ware I already bought for my ST. And software for the NeXT isn't as cheap, > is it? > But to decide correctly, I will have to SEE one of these fantastic NeXTs > and play a little bit with it, for example, to find out how fast it does its > screen-redraw (could probably take long as it uses display-postscript, I > bet). > > Sorry, if this question has already been answered many times before - I > read this newsgroup for the first time in the middle of last week. So here > it is: > > DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW ANY NAMES AND ADDRESSES OR PHONE NUMBERS OF > STORES SELLING NeXTs INSIDE GERMANY??? Till now, i found NONE!!! HELP!!! > > Many thanks in advance. > > > Michael > > > --- > ========================================================================= > Michael Kaaden mlkaaden@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de > Rettystr. 20 "For every problem there is one solution > W-8500 Nuernberg 30 which is neat, simple, and wrong." > Germany H. L. Mencken > ======================================================================== There is a brand new company in Berlin called Networxs which is a subsidiary of HSD. They are specializing, as the name implies, in networked machines. The address is: Networxs Kaiser-Freedrich Str. 3 D-1000 Berlin 10 Tel: (030) 342 20 41 Fax: (030) 341 43 98 -- Kevin C. Rarick HSD Microcomputer US, Inc. krarick@montana.portal.com