swc@cbsck.UUCP (Scott W. Collins) (03/17/86)
~ Have any Toyota owners out there had water pump problems? I have heard through the grapevine that Toyotas are known to have the water pump go out (or just its bearings, perhaps) at or around 50k miles. Any others that have heard/experienced this? [ I have an '82 Toyota Corolla SR5 Liftback that is only at 21k and is grumbling up front in the water pump area ]. Thanks in advance, Scott W. Collins ihnp4!cbsck!swc
rib@arrow.UUCP (RI Block) (03/18/86)
The water pump on my '84 Camry died at 15k miles. In the 84 Camry, the water pump is an internal part driven by the cam (like a distributor). The net result was that when the water pump seized, it took the timing belt with it. It was fixed under warranty but the towing and miscellaneous charges, not to mention that it was damaged in the tow, left a vary bad taste behind.
eric@chronon.UUCP (Eric Black) (03/19/86)
>Have any Toyota owners out there had water pump problems? >I have heard through the grapevine that Toyotas are known >to have the water pump go out (or just its bearings, perhaps) >at or around 50k miles. > >Any others that have heard/experienced this? > >[ I have an '82 Toyota Corolla SR5 Liftback that is only at 21k > and is grumbling up front in the water pump area ]. > >Thanks in advance, > >Scott W. Collins >ihnp4!cbsck!swc The water pump on my '78 Corolla SR5 Liftback needed replacing after only 125,000 miles. Fortunately I was spared the task by the other four cars that all wanted to get to know each other (and mine) *intimately* :-) Too bad, that car was the best I've ever owned, no maintenance problems (but I took good care of it, esp. including changing the oil AND filter every 3K miles or so, c.f. other recent articles), and after 125K miles it ran and looked like a car with 20K or so miles. I now drive a Tercel 4WD wagon, with 85K on it after 2-1/2 years (well, I live in CA where distances are qualitatively different!). To answer your question, I have not heard anything that would lead me to believe this is a generic or common problem with Toyotas. -- Eric Black "Garbage In, Gospel Out" UUCP: {sun,pyramid,hplabs,amdcad}!chronon!eric VOICE: (415) 941-0403 US SNAIL: Chronon Computer Corp. 2570 El Camino Real W. Suite 206 Mountain View, CA 94040
ins_asac@jhunix.UUCP (Stephan Alexa Cooper) (03/20/86)
In article <2057@cbsck.UUCP> swc@cbsck.UUCP writes: >Have any Toyota owners out there had water pump problems? >I have heard through the grapevine that Toyotas are known >to have the water pump go out (or just its bearings, perhaps) >at or around 50k miles. > >Any others that have heard/experienced this? > >[ I have an '82 Toyota Corolla SR5 Liftback that is only at 21k > and is grumbling up front in the water pump area ]. I had a similar experience. On the car I used to drive, a 1977 Corolla SR5 HB, the water pump died. The weather had been cold for quite a while, and the car had over 75K on it at the time, so I attributed it to those two factors. Needless to say it was NOT fun replacing the water pump when it was below freezing out (this was 2 Febs. ago). But I had been getting some squeaking up front, sort of like a fan belt, before it went. I think the belts were loose, so I can't be too sure that that was it. But the answer is...Yes, I've had/heard this experience. -- Steve Cooper Johns Hopkins University Electrical Engineering and Computer Science ...!seismo!umcp-cs!jhunix!ins_asac
ins_aeas@jhunix.UUCP (Earle A .Sugar) (03/20/86)
> But I had been getting > some squeaking up front, sort of like a fan belt, before it went. I think > the belts were loose, so I can't be too sure that that was it. But the > answer is...Yes, I've had/heard this experience. > -- > > Steve Cooper > Johns Hopkins University > ...!seismo!umcp-cs!jhunix!ins_asac Fan belts that are too tight can also destroy water pump (and power steering pump, and alternator, etc.) bearings. However, since your engine had over 70k miles on it, and you are from a cold climate (thermal cycling helps do in bearings), so pump failure should be expected. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Earle A. Sugar Disclaimer:"Nobody else here at JHU ever agrees with my opinions" USENET: ...!seismo!umcp-cs!aplvax!aplcen!jhunix!ins_aeas CSNET:ins_aeas@jhunix.csnet ARPA:ins_aeas%jhunix.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa BITNET: INS_BEAS@JHUVMS (as a last resort) or call 301-889-0815 after 6 P.M. EST This month's wise advice: "Don't step on anyone on your way up the ladder; you might meet them on the way back down"
neal@weitek.UUCP (Neal Bedard) (03/20/86)
In article <186@chronon.UUCP>, eric@chronon.UUCP (Eric Black) writes: > >Have any Toyota owners out there had water pump problems? > > > >[ I have an '82 Toyota Corolla SR5 Liftback that is only at 21k > > and is grumbling up front in the water pump area ]. > > > The water pump on my '78 Corolla SR5 Liftback needed replacing > after only 125,000 miles. [...] I wasn't so lucky. Last December my '84 Supra ate its water pump at 38000 miles. The pump made growling/shieking noises and had some axial play in the shaft before it let loose, wedging the fan into radiator (at low speed, fortunately.) The extended warranty I had bought covered it. Now here's the really suspicious part: two weeks prior to the pump failure the dealership had fixed another problem (leaking oil pressure sensor.) At that time I had them perform an `annual service', which includes tightening the belts. My guess is that they were overzealous in setting the fan belt tension, causing the failure. My recommendations? If your Toyota is making water pump noise, get it fixed pronto. If the dealer adjusts the belts, make sure they don't overtighten the fan belt in particular. BTW, the oil pressure sensor was the subject of a recall on Toyotas with the 5M-GE engine (DOHC six.) Supra and Cressida owners take note! -Neal -- "If I owned half of that dog, I'd shoot my half." -Pudd'nhead Wilson UUCP: {turtlevax, resonex, cae780}!weitek!neal
mberns@ut-ngp.UUCP (Mark Bernstein) (03/21/86)
** > I had a similar experience. On the car I used to drive, a 1977 Corolla > SR5 HB, the water pump died. The weather had been cold for quite a while, > and the car had over 75K on it at the time,.... ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^ Um, I don't quite see how this is a "similar experience". I'd hardly consider a 75K life span for a water pump a "problem" (remember this discussion is about *premature* failure in Toyotas). Let's not get carried away :-). Water pumps don't often last forever. Sure, not all water pumps fail even after many more than 75K miles. But it is not at all unusual for a pump to give out *some time* during the life of a car, and I wish I had gotten *as much as* 75K out of water pumps on some cars I've owned. Yes, I agree - there may be a manufacturer's design or quality problem if they *consistently* fail at very low mileage ( < 35K? ) in a particular line of cars. But I'm not sure that the recent postings on this issue are very convincing as to the existence of a real Toyota problem in this area. -- Mark Bernstein, Univ of Texas at Austin, Speech Communication, Austin 78712 ARPA: mberns@ngp.UTEXAS.EDU UUCP: ihnp4!ut-ngp!mberns allegra!ut-ngp!mberns gatech!ut-ngp!mberns seismo!ut-sally!ut-ngp!mberns harvard!ut-sally!ut-ngp!mberns
dao@hou2d.UUCP (D.OSTRAY) (03/21/86)
My 1978 Toyota Corolla has 200,000 miles on it and is on its third water pump. Still not a bad average life in my opinion. And of course it is important to replace it as soon as it starts making those loud noises. Dan Ostroy hou2d!dao