fouts@lemming. (Marty Fouts) (10/16/88)
OK, Let's line the true believers up on the left, (err, right) and the total cynics on the right (err, left --- I don't really care.) and let them shoot at each other. We're all Monday morning quarterbacking here, and it's getting really boring. I would like to see the discussion limited to the actual technical issues (You, know, how does it mumble, can it burble, how fast does it blib.) I would also like to point out that the same discussion has taken place over a number of machines --- Including one I got burned on (;-( and one that I got that turned out to be a screaming success. (;-) Basicaly, Jobs et. al., have made a number of market driven technical decisions and designed a new machine as a result. All of the words on the Usenet aren't going to make one bit of difference to its success. Frankly, they've ruined my day, because I've been at this for a few years, and preannouncements have a long track record of never being delivered, and I *want* the damn machine to be a success. <= A good example of ambivalence. Anway, some more technical questions: The Vax version of MACH was really disappointing when I got it a year ago, as were early versions of BSD (what you expect from alpa software). My question is who did the Next port of MACH? Is it a port or a reimplementation? (I hope a reimplementation?) Does it suffer from the CMU Vax Mach problem of requiring BSD and AT&T Unix licenses? And, the most important question: Can I get SOURCE CODE? As Dave Tweten was quoted in Datamation: "If it ain't source it ain't software." [I'll even pay money if I have to, but I've got to have source.] Also, anything technical I can read about Next Step? Can a mere mortal buy a manual set? Comments from next would be best of course. In fact, is anyone at Next going to do a "Why we made the decisions we did paper?" I would find it very useful. Anybody familiar with Next Step and SmallTalk want to compare the two? Why Objective C? With GNU C, You can get a compiler for C++ for a little implementation effort? Finally, How do I get to be a developer? More signal -- less noise! (Please) Marty -- +-+-+-+ I don't know who I am, why should you? +-+-+-+ | fouts@lemming.nas.nasa.gov | | ...!ames!orville!fouts | | Never attribute to malice what can be | +-+-+-+ explained by incompetence. +-+-+-+
mmc@well.UUCP (Matthew McClure) (10/17/88)
In article <FOUTS.88Oct15102429@lemming.> fouts@lemming. (Marty Fouts) writes: >Also, anything technical I can read about Next Step? Can a mere >mortal buy a manual set? The handout from John Ison, Manager, Application Software Marketing, says "Even before becoming a Registered Developer, you will be able to purchase NeXT Computer System technical documentation." Price is $395. Snail address is: NeXT, Inc. 3475 Deer Creek Road Palo Alto, CA 94304 >Finally, How do I get to be a developer? Looks like you just fill out a form, which you could probably get from John Ison. 415-424-0200. Matthew McClure {pacbell,lll-crg,apple,hplabs}!well!mmc International Technology Development Corporation 1990 Lombard Street, #250, San Francisco, CA 94123 415-929-0924