[net.auto] Defeating Laser Pulse Speed Enforcing

stewart@ihlpf.UUCP (R. J. Stewart) (03/17/86)

I wonder how hard it would be to turn a car "black" well into the
infrared range?

Actually, the usable range for infrared speed traps may not be very
wide, since at some point the heat being radiated by the car would
interfere with the detector.

Bob Stewart
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eric@chronon.UUCP (Eric Black) (03/19/86)

>I wonder how hard it would be to turn a car "black" well into the
>infrared range?
>
>Actually, the usable range for infrared speed traps may not be very
>wide, since at some point the heat being radiated by the car would
>interfere with the detector.
>
>Bob Stewart
>ihnp4!ihlpf!stewart

I don't think I'd like my car to be completely "black" at IR during
the summer!  Prolly not even during the winter.  It's hot enough reflecting
all the heat it does now...  Rather than absorb the IR laser, I'd rather
jam it by sending my own noise (lots of random heat).

I wonder whether a laser of sufficiently low power to be safe for use
in public really would be useful what with all the background noise it
would have to deal with.  If it's not significantly cheaper than the
hand-held radar units, and may not be more reliably used under expected
conditions, why would a PD buy one?  The small radar guns that are on
only when you're being clocked defeat radar detectors for the most
part, unless your detector hears the traffic in front of you being
clocked, and it takes a pretty smart detector/driver to distinguish
that short signal from the local bank/Burger Thing...
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aptr@ur-tut.UUCP (The Wumpus) (03/22/86)

> >I wonder how hard it would be to turn a car "black" well into the
> >infrared range?
> >
>
> I don't think I'd like my car to be completely "black" at IR during
> the summer!  Prolly not even during the winter.  It's hot enough reflecting
> all the heat it does now...  Rather than absorb the IR laser, I'd rather
> jam it by sending my own noise (lots of random heat).
>

To make the car "black" to IR in the true sense would mean the absorbtion of
IR waves, but there are other ways to make the car appear to be black to IR.
The physical effect known as Thin-Film-Interference allows things to appear
to be black while not actually being so.  Have you ever noticed a pool of
water with a slight bit of oil in it deffracts light?  Well that is one 
example of thin film interference.  What is happening in thin film interference
is that the light is reflected both by the top and bottom surfaces of the
film in such a manner that the light reflected from the top and bottom are
180 degrees out of phase with each other, and therefore cancel each other.
The only real problem with using this to block out IR is that you are talking
about put a coat of paint on that must be correct to under 10e-10 m, but with
todays technology it isn't to hard.  Oh yes, I also believe that it would mean
that you would never be able to wax your car again because of the changes the
wax would cause.

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