[comp.protocols.nfs] lifeline-backup

mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson) (10/17/90)

   I have a problem with Lifeline backups with PC-NFS (sun) and
I was hopeing someone out there might be able to help me.

I am trying to write backup tapes from my PC to our Silicon Graphics
4D80 server.  Everything works fine if I write to a cartridge tape,
but fails with an LL011F error when I try to write to an Exabyte
8mm tape.  However, I can read the Exabyte tapes with no problem.

    The PC is an IBM P70-121 with a 3COM 3C523 board, PC-NFS 3.0.1
from SUN.
    The Silicon Graphics is a 4D80 with NFS option running the latest
release of the OS (System V 3.3.1).  The PCNFSD on the silicon graphics
was modified by silicon graphics to be compatible with system V instead
of BSD.

    As I said above I can read and write tapes to the 60Mb cartridge
tape. And I can read, but not write to the exabyte tape.  Incidently,
the exabyte works fine for dumps from our suns, mips and other
silicon graphics machines as well as local tar.  

    Can someone out there tell me the actual sequence of remote
shell commands with the PC-NFS tar (from SUN) is actually sending
to the server?  Can anyone offer and suggestions?

    Thanks for the help.


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                                 Charlottesville, Va. 22908

pilger@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Eric Pilger) (10/19/90)

In article <1990Oct16.175419.10751@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson) writes:
>
>   I have a problem with Lifeline backups with PC-NFS (sun) and
.
.

>4D80 server.  Everything works fine if I write to a cartridge tape,
>but fails with an LL011F error when I try to write to an Exabyte
>8mm tape.  However, I can read the Exabyte tapes with no problem.
>
I ran into a problem where things would work for awhile, then fail at
the same point each time.  The error was something like LL011F.
I believe the problem was timing out on the write request.  When I
switched from the failing Exabyte on a Sun 3 to an Exabytre on our Sun
490, things worked.  Things also worked writing to a 1/4" drive on a
Sparcstation.  There seems to be some interplay between the speed of
the machine, the type of tape drive, and time outs. (I am guessing I
could also have fixed the problem by increasing the timeout tperiod
for an NFS request.)

>    Can someone out there tell me the actual sequence of remote
>shell commands with the PC-NFS tar (from SUN) is actually sending
>to the server?  Can anyone offer and suggestions?

They are stored in backup.db in the NFS directory.  They are
something like "rsh dd if(of)=/dev/(your tape) bs=(your block size)."


				   Eric Pilger 
				   Systems Programmer
				   Nasa Infrared Telescope Facility

csb@gdwb.oz.au (Craig Bishop) (10/22/90)

pilger@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Eric Pilger) writes:

>In article <1990Oct16.175419.10751@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson) writes:
>>
>>   I have a problem with Lifeline backups with PC-NFS (sun) and

>>4D80 server.  Everything works fine if I write to a cartridge tape,
>>but fails with an LL011F error when I try to write to an Exabyte
>>8mm tape.  However, I can read the Exabyte tapes with no problem.
>>
>I ran into a problem where things would work for awhile, then fail at
>the same point each time.  The error was something like LL011F.
>I believe the problem was timing out on the write request.  When I
>switched from the failing Exabyte on a Sun 3 to an Exabytre on our Sun
>490, things worked.  Things also worked writing to a 1/4" drive on a
>Sparcstation.  There seems to be some interplay between the speed of
>the machine, the type of tape drive, and time outs. (I am guessing I
>could also have fixed the problem by increasing the timeout tperiod
>for an NFS request.)

We had the same problems which you described and we worked out a kludge
which gets us round the problem. I have sent mail to Michael Johnson
about our kludge and it worked for him also.

We have SUNs also and when we upgraded to SunOS 4.1 we struck the above
problem. It is due to Lifeline timing out but the reason it seems is
that the SunOS 4.1 kernel no longer positions that tape correctly after
a tape load or a tape rewind. The PC-lifeline will even fail in different
places (but always near the start) depending on whether the tape has just
been loaded or just rewound. We found that if we wrote a file to the
non rewinding device we could then write successfully from the PC
running PC-Lifeline.

We use PC-Lifeline to backup all our PC's (about 60) to the one exabyte
tape unit, since we have been writing this initial file from the server 
to the tape we have not had any problems. We have software running on
the server and the PC's which handles which PC gets the exabyte.

Sun are working on this problem and I believe that it has been accepted
a a bug in the SunOS 4.1 kernel (not gospel).
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