[net.games.rogue] Probability of hit points in rogue

flinn@seismo.UUCP (E. A. Flinn) (12/08/83)

I apologize to everyone for a previous message about probability of
getting hit points in rogue, in which the numbers were almost all
entirely wrong.

I think the following numbers are correct.

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Level 1:

Probability of getting exactly this number in four throws

  16   0.000     17   0.000     18   0.001
  19   0.002     20   0.004     21   0.006
  22   0.008     23   0.012     24   0.016
  25   0.022     26   0.028     27   0.035
  28   0.041     29   0.048     30   0.054
  31   0.059     32   0.063     33   0.066
  34   0.067     35   0.066     36   0.063
  37   0.059     38   0.054     39   0.048
  40   0.041     41   0.035     42   0.028
  43   0.022     44   0.016     45   0.012
  46   0.008     47   0.006     48   0.004
  49   0.002     50   0.001     51   0.000
  52   0.000

	Cumulative probabilities from Level 1:
 (probability of getting this number or more in four throws)

  16   1.000     17   1.000     18   1.000     19   0.999     20   0.997
  21   0.993     22   0.987     23   0.979     24   0.967     25   0.951
  26   0.929     27   0.900     28   0.866     29   0.824     30   0.776
  31   0.722     32   0.663     33   0.600     34   0.534     35   0.467
  36   0.400     37   0.337     38   0.278     39   0.224     40   0.176
  41   0.135     42   0.100     43   0.072     44   0.049     45   0.033
  46   0.021     47   0.013     48   0.007     49   0.004     50   0.002
  51   0.000     52   0.000


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Level 2:

Probability of getting exactly this number in three throws

   1    -         2    -         3    0.00
   4    0.00      5    0.01      6    0.01
   7    0.01      8    0.02      9    0.03
  10    0.04     11    0.05     12    0.05
  13    0.06     14    0.07     15    0.07
  16    0.08     17    0.08     18    0.07
  19    0.07     20    0.06     21    0.05
  22    0.05     23    0.04     24    0.03
  25    0.02     26    0.01     27    0.01
  28    0.01     29    0.00     30    0.00

Cumulative probabilities:
 (probability of getting this number or more in three throws)

   3    1.00      4    1.00      5    1.00
   6    0.99      7    0.98      8    0.97
   9    0.94     10    0.92     11    0.88
  12    0.84     13    0.78     14    0.72
  15    0.65     16    0.58     17    0.50
  18    0.43     19    0.35     20    0.28
  21    0.22     22    0.17     23    0.12
  24    0.08     25    0.06     26    0.04
  27    0.02     28    0.01     29    0.00
  30    0.00

		Cumulative probabilities

Ending|			Present Hit Points at Level 2
Points/	13    14    15    16    17    18    19    20    21    22

16   	-     -     -     -     -     -     -     -     -     -   
17   	1.00  -     -     -     -     -     -     -     -     -   
18   	1.00  1.00  -     -     -     -     -     -     -     -   
19   	1.00  1.00  1.00  -     -     -     -     -     -     -   
20   	0.99  1.00  1.00  1.00  -     -     -     -     -     -   
21   	0.98  0.99  1.00  1.00  1.00  -     -     -     -     -   
22   	0.97  0.98  0.99  1.00  1.00  1.00  -     -     -     -   
23   	0.94  0.97  0.98  0.99  1.00  1.00  1.00  -     -     -   
24   	0.92  0.94  0.97  0.98  0.99  1.00  1.00  1.00  -     -   
25   	0.88  0.92  0.94  0.97  0.98  0.99  1.00  1.00  1.00  -   
26   	0.84  0.88  0.92  0.94  0.97  0.98  0.99  1.00  1.00  1.00
27   	0.78  0.84  0.88  0.92  0.94  0.97  0.98  0.99  1.00  1.00
28   	0.72  0.78  0.84  0.88  0.92  0.94  0.97  0.98  0.99  1.00
29   	0.65  0.72  0.78  0.84  0.88  0.92  0.94  0.97  0.98  0.99
30   	0.58  0.65  0.72  0.78  0.84  0.88  0.92  0.94  0.97  0.98
31   	0.50  0.58  0.65  0.72  0.78  0.84  0.88  0.92  0.94  0.97
32   	0.43  0.50  0.58  0.65  0.72  0.78  0.84  0.88  0.92  0.94
33   	0.35  0.43  0.50  0.58  0.65  0.72  0.78  0.84  0.88  0.92
34   	0.28  0.35  0.43  0.50  0.58  0.65  0.72  0.78  0.84  0.88
35   	0.22  0.28  0.35  0.43  0.50  0.58  0.65  0.72  0.78  0.84
36   	0.17  0.22  0.28  0.35  0.43  0.50  0.58  0.65  0.72  0.78
37   	0.12  0.17  0.22  0.28  0.35  0.43  0.50  0.58  0.65  0.72
38   	0.08  0.12  0.17  0.22  0.28  0.35  0.43  0.50  0.58  0.65
39   	0.06  0.08  0.12  0.17  0.22  0.28  0.35  0.43  0.50  0.58
40   	0.04  0.06  0.08  0.12  0.17  0.22  0.28  0.35  0.43  0.50
41   	0.02  0.04  0.06  0.08  0.12  0.17  0.22  0.28  0.35  0.43
42   	0.01  0.02  0.04  0.06  0.08  0.12  0.17  0.22  0.28  0.35
43   	0.00  0.01  0.02  0.04  0.06  0.08  0.12  0.17  0.22  0.28
44   	0.00  0.00  0.01  0.02  0.04  0.06  0.08  0.12  0.17  0.22
45   	-     0.00  0.00  0.01  0.02  0.04  0.06  0.08  0.12  0.17
46   	-     -     0.00  0.00  0.01  0.02  0.04  0.06  0.08  0.12
47   	-     -     -     0.00  0.00  0.01  0.02  0.04  0.06  0.08
48   	-     -     -     -     0.00  0.00  0.01  0.02  0.04  0.06
49   	-     -     -     -     -     0.00  0.00  0.01  0.02  0.04
50   	-     -     -     -     -     -     0.00  0.00  0.01  0.02
51   	-     -     -     -     -     -     -     0.00  0.00  0.01
52   	-     -     -     -     -     -     -     -     0.00  0.00


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Level 3:

Probability of getting exactly this number in two throws

   1   -          2   0.010      3   0.020
   4   0.030      5   0.040      6   0.050
   7   0.060      8   0.070      9   0.080
  10   0.090     11   0.100     12   0.090
  13   0.080     14   0.070     15   0.060
  16   0.050     17   0.040     18   0.030
  19   0.020     20   0.010

Cumulative probabilities:
 (probability of getting this number or more in two throws)

   2    1.00      3    0.99      4    0.97
   5    0.94      6    0.90      7    0.85
   8    0.79      9    0.72     10    0.64
  11    0.55     12    0.45     13    0.36
  14    0.28     15    0.21     16    0.15
  17    0.10     18    0.06     19    0.03
  20    0.01


		Cumulative probabilities

Ending|		Present Hit Points at Level 3
Points/	14    15    16    17    18    19    20    21    22 

16   	1.00  -     -     -     -     -     -     -     -   
17   	0.99  1.00  -     -     -     -     -     -     -   
18   	0.97  0.99  1.00  -     -     -     -     -     -   
19   	0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00  -     -     -     -     -   
20   	0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00  -     -     -     -   
21   	0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00  -     -     -   
22   	0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00  -     -   
23   	0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00  -   
24   	0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00
25   	0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99
26   	0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97
27   	0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94
28   	0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90
29   	0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85
30   	0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79
31   	0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72
32   	0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64
33   	0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55
34   	0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45
35   	-     0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36
36   	-     -     0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28
37   	-     -     -     0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21
38   	-     -     -     -     0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15
39   	-     -     -     -     -     0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10
40   	-     -     -     -     -     -     0.01  0.03  0.06
41   	-     -     -     -     -     -     -     0.01  0.03
42   	-     -     -     -     -     -     -     -     0.01

		Cumulative probabilities

Ending|		Present Hit Points at Level 3
Points/	23    24    25    26    27    28    29    30    31 

25   	1.00  -     -     -     -     -     -     -     -   
26   	0.99  1.00  -     -     -     -     -     -     -   
27   	0.97  0.99  1.00  -     -     -     -     -     -   
28   	0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00  -     -     -     -     -   
29   	0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00  -     -     -     -   
30   	0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00  -     -     -   
31   	0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00  -     -   
32   	0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00  -   
33   	0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99  1.00
34	0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97  0.99
35   	0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94  0.97
36   	0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90  0.94
37   	0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85  0.90
38   	0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79  0.85
39   	0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72  0.79
40   	0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64  0.72
41   	0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55  0.64
42   	0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45  0.55
43   	0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36  0.45
44   	-     0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28  0.36
45   	-     -     0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21  0.28
46   	-     -     -     0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15  0.21
47   	-     -     -     -     0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10  0.15
48   	-     -     -     -     -     0.01  0.03  0.06  0.10
49   	-     -     -     -     -     -     0.01  0.03  0.06
50   	-     -     -     -     -     -     -     0.01  0.03
51   	-     -     -     -     -     -     -     -     0.01

flinn@seismo.UUCP (E. A. Flinn) (12/09/83)

I got a note asking what all those numbers mean in a message I sent
earlier today to net.games.rogue; it was a follow-up to an earlier
submission, the first part of which I'd better repeat to clarify
things.

One of the rogue gurus (gurues?) maintains that if you don't have at
least 40 hit points by experience level 5 it's best just to quit.  All
I did was calculate the probabilities that you would have at least 
16, 17,...52 hit points at level 5, starting from the 12 you have at
level 1 and anyplace in between, which I thought might be of interest
to other rogue players.

The first submission attempted to do the same calculation, but was
wrong.