[comp.sys.ti.explorer] KSL stuff?

) (10/20/89)

is this available free? can we get a longer blurb on it? sounds like it does
a SUN-style arrangement where the window/processes have tiny icons that are
drawn on tv:main-screen and clicking on those icons exposes the full-size 
window, while deselecting something (via END or TERM-B) puts its small icon
back in place.

I had started on something like this earlier this year, but didn't get this
far along (my icons were blinkers (ugh
), and had to be manually inserted into windows, and have their mouse-
sensitivity patched up), since I had to work on other things.

um, it turns out that i have TWO mac-font converter programs, and a number of
already-converted font-files. I've looked at them all, and some are good,
while some are pure trash--random bits. don't know why this happened, but I
know nothing of mac-internal font-suitcase formats.

the macpaint-to-explorer converter is short, and follows in next message.

 -- clint

jwz@teak.berkeley.edu (Jamie Zawinski) (10/20/89)

Well, since I brought it up...

> is this available free? can we get a longer blurb on it? sounds like it does
> a SUN-style arrangement where the window/processes have tiny icons that are
> drawn on tv:main-screen and clicking on those icons exposes the full-size 
> window, while deselecting something (via END or TERM-B) puts its small icon
> back in place.

Pretty much that, yeah.  They have a lot of neat stuff, including 

 o  A source-code debugger (you get to see source code instead of disassembly.
    The compiler puts in backpointers to the actual source.
 o  The ability to use boolean expressions in pathnames, as in
    "lm:jwz;(and L* (not login-init)).(or lisp xld)#>".
 o  Vast improvements to the inspector - the inspector and flavor inspector
    are integrated, and it's possible to look at an object in different
    "perspectives", such as lists-as-property-lists, or 
    functions-as-call-graphs, or flavors-as-inheritance-graphs.
 o  A general grapher (see above).
 o  Defstruct typechecking.
 o  Window-management by clicking in the labels of windows.
 o  Icons, and a desktop (complete with background images!)
 o  VT100 no longer takes over the whole screen.
 o  "Hot-keys", where one keystroke can be made to do magic.

Their plan is that someday TI will be convinced that this stuff should be
included as a part of the standard system software; Rice has talked about
this before.  It's very useful code, and it should be.  A while back he sent
out a message asking everybody to send mail to someone at TI presenting your
opinion on the value of software like this, which may be a little buggy, but
might be useful anyway.  

You should do this.  Ask TI for it.  If you all start begging Rice and Acuff
for it, you'll just make me unpopular.  If you ask TI for it, they may get
the message, and make it standard.

	-- Jamie