rjc@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) (06/26/91)
In article <9106251817.AA15386@cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq386@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes: > >Well, it is nice for once that alt.amiga.demos gets some activity >and a change from the typical 'wow, this demo is great' post. >My last post was redirected for some reason to alt.sources.amiga >but I still think it belongs in alt.amiga.demos. > >It's amazing how many people read this newgroup yet they believe >demos are a waste of time. Demos are the only thing that show >what the Amiga can do! Impulse could always port Imagine over No, Demos show what the hardware can do _IF_ you kick out the entire OS. If someone buys an Amiga thinking that Applications are going to run like these demos they are sadly mistaken. Someone could just as easily put a 34020 card in a PC, use C, and blow away ANY Amiga demo. >such as Soundtracker [now tell me what the Amiga world would >be like if demo programmers hadn't come up with that!!!] or >all the other odd utilities that exist because of demo coders. Someone else would have made a "tracker" program. Really, these tracker type programs exist on a lot of platforms, I've seen them on the C64 (VoiceTracker, Future Composer, Maniacs of Noise music editor) and on the ST. It doesn't take a hardcore demo programmer to come up with the idea of playing samples and arranging them into blocks. Tracker programs are great, but it doesn't take a demo programmer to make them, all it takes is a knowledge of the hardware and some good design. Most of the time people reinvent the wheel without even knowing it. Just look at the "new fast copy algorithm discovered using movem" post that pops up every month. Let's just quit this "demo programmers are superior to everyone" attitude and "Assembly is the ultimate language". (no doubt Mike S will be in here once he finds out about this arguement, or Stephen Schaem and his "all devcon programmers are stupid" idea. No offense.) -- / INET:rjc@gnu.ai.mit.edu * // The opinions expressed here do not \ | INET:r_cromwe@upr2.clu.net | \X/ in any way reflect the views of my self.| \ UUCP:uunet!tnc!m0023 * /
sschaem@StarConn.com (Stephan Schaem) (06/26/91)
Well you should check the raytracer,macro assembler,debuger they wrote... 'DEMO' programing is TOTALY diferent from system programing! by desing and programing technics.Not having to share resource make thing easy, and why would they make it harder:-) especially for a 5/15 minuts demo... I think (and saw) that you can make games without knowing the OS/ROM function at ALL, and the other way around... wich is harder? Well dpand on people. For assembly... The result will be the best (with current high level compiler).But if you dont have the time you can use high level when those result are not expected.(Dont take me out of context, I'm not talking of C compiler on machine like a parallel processing IRIS VGX:-) And I'm not talking the z80 etheir...
sschaem@StarConn.com (Stephan Schaem) (06/26/91)
By the way To people reading this, I never said all devcon programers are stupid... It would be like saying that I'm stupid? Maybe, be wont admit it in public. Stephan.