[comp.society.women] Special programs

fester@math.berkeley.edu (07/06/88)

In article <11535@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> dana@ernie.Berkeley.EDU (Dana Bergen) writes:
>I had the good fortune to discover the Computer Science Reentry Program
>at U.C. Berkeley.  The program is open to women and "underrepresented
>minorities" who want to go to graduate school in Computer Science but
>have an undergraduate degree in something other than C.S.  Through it,
>I was able to take undergraduate C.S. courses at Berkeley without being 
>enrolled in a degree program (this is normally not allowed).  On the 

I am curious about the success rate programs like these have.  I know
of a vaguely similar one in Engineering at Boston University.  Of course,
one needs to define "success": I'm interested in the completion rate of
women who enter such programs.

It's an odd thing, many of these affirmative action programs.  The ones
I have heard of are mostly admissions of some sort (i.e. quotas, special
programs, etc.)  The premise behind them is that women (or minorities,
but I'm dealing strictly with the women issue at the moment) have been
disadvantaged educationally and as a consequence are underrepresented
in certain fields.  True enough.  But being educationally disadvantaged
means that not only are these women incapable (probably) of being
*admitted* to do certain kinds of degree work, but that they are then
equally likely to not be initially capable of performing at the same
level as their peers.  So that a program which merely *admits* women
and then says, essentially, "you are entirely on your own" is not
neccessarily doing much good.  Does the Computer Science Re-entry
Program have resources available for such women (e.g. tutoring, early
advising if advising is nonstandard in the CS department, etc.) ? 
What are other women's experiences with coming into computer science
(or other technical fields) through such programs ?


Lea Fester
fester@math.berkeley.edu

dana@necntc.nec.com (Dana Albert) (07/06/88)

 I was in the Late Entry Accelerated Program for women at Boston
University.  The financial aid was pitiful, and resulted in my not
finishing the program.  That was the main reason people left the
program, not failing out, etc.  We did have a few women leave due to
pregnancy.  Those who did leave I heard returned to complete their
degrees.

The program was difficult - essentially, the first year consisted of
undergraduate EE courses taken out of sequence.  We competed directly
with the undergrads in their classes.  If we did not achieve a least a B
in each course, we could be summarily removed from the program.  The
stress was almost unbearable.  Most of us were motivated enough by
visions of more interesting and high salaried employ that we wanted to
complete the program.  Unfortunately, the money was not there to support
those of us who had left full time jobs to go to school full time.
Almost all of us worked 20 hours a week to get money to live on, which
affected some of the grades....

The women accepted into the program had at least a 3.0 average in their
previous Bachelor's program - and that degree had to be in math or
science.  Liberal arts majors (not math or sciences) had to prove
eligibility by taking some math courses prior to starting the actual
program.

All of the women I met were of high caliber.

I went in 1982 - 1983.  In Jan 1983, men were accepted into the program
as well.

As musch as people might complain about BU, its the only engineering
school I know of that has 50% women in its programs - obviously women
came not only from the LEAP, but from the regular undergrad program.

Just thought I'd share - Dana

visions of more interesting and higher salaried employ to  

dana@ernie.Berkeley.EDU (Dana Bergen) (07/12/88)

In article <11689@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> fester@math.berkeley.edu writes:
>
>So that a program which merely *admits* women
>and then says, essentially, "you are entirely on your own" is not
>neccessarily doing much good.  Does the Computer Science Re-entry
>Program have resources available for such women (e.g. tutoring, early
>advising if advising is nonstandard in the CS department, etc.) ? 

I agree 100% that admission to programs is not enough.  Absolutely, the
most important aspect for me about the Re-entry Program was the support
provided to the students.  The program provided lists of people to call
(and introductions) for all types of advice (e.g. faculty members, 
graduate students, other reentry students, graduates who were out working 
at jobs, administrators, etc.); arranged free tutoring (with women tutors
whenever possible); organized lunches to make it easy for us to
connect with one another;  and generally helped us not to get "lost" in
a very large and intimidating department.  There is a network of reentry
program alums and other people currently or formerly associated with the
program in some way, most of whom are very willing to help out current
students.  This is one of the best benefits of this type of program.

Dana
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