mfi@beach.cis.ufl.EDU (Mark Interrante) (03/06/90)
Hi, I am rather niave on the subject of mail protocols, but now that momentum is gathering for x.400 are there any *plans* to provide x.400 in Unix and begin to transition the Net (mail/News) to X.400? Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Interrante Software Engineering Research Center mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu CIS Department, University of Florida 32611 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
mark@cblpf.att.COM (Mark R Horton) (03/07/90)
> I am rather niave on the subject of mail protocols, but now that > momentum is gathering for x.400 are there any *plans* to provide x.400 > in Unix and begin to transition the Net (mail/News) to X.400? AT&T Mail currently offers an X.400 gateway, and a number of products based on the UNIX and MS DOS systems to interface with it. These products, such as PMX and ACCESS PLUS, are not raw X.400, but tailored to the UNIX way of doing things (e.g. text files you can use UNIX editors and tools with instead of X.400 binary files.) As I understand it, these products are positioned as enhancements adding value to the basic UNIX system, so they won't be on the vanilla System V distribution. System V release 4 comes with an email system based on UUCP and TCP/IP standards, supporting uux and SMTP. (No, it doesn't use sendmail, but a simpler SMTP back end to a simple, powerful, and configurable switch in the rmail command. It is much easier to configure and much more secure than sendmail. A very nice system.) As I understand it, X.400 Netnews is an oxymoron, indeed X.400 mailing lists may also be an oxymoron. Something about all responses, including replies and nondelivery notifications, going to the same address. This is based on indirect information, is it correct? Mark
mark@cblpf.att.COM (Mark R Horton) (03/07/90)
> I am rather niave on the subject of mail protocols, but now that > momentum is gathering for x.400 are there any *plans* to provide x.400 > in Unix and begin to transition the Net (mail/News) to X.400? AT&T Mail currently offers an X.400 gateway, and a number of products based on the UNIX and MS DOS systems to interface with it. These products, such as PMX and ACCESS PLUS, are not raw X.400, but tailored to the UNIX way of doing things (e.g. text files you can use UNIX editors and tools with instead of X.400 binary files.) As I understand it, these products are positioned as enhancements adding value to the basic UNIX system, so they won't be on the vanilla System V distribution. System V release 4 comes with an email system based on UUCP and TCP/IP standards, supporting uux and SMTP. (No, it doesn't use sendmail, but a simpler SMTP back end to a simple, powerful, and configurable switch in the rmail command. It is much easier to configure and much more secure than sendmail. A very nice system.) As I understand it, X.400 Netnews is an oxymoron, indeed X.400 mailing lists may also be an oxymoron. Something about all responses, including replies and nondelivery notifications, going to the same address. This is based on indirect information, is it correct? Mark
Christian.Huitema@mirsa.inria.fr (Christian Huitema) (03/07/90)
>As I understand it, X.400 Netnews is an oxymoron, indeed X.400 mailing >lists may also be an oxymoron. Something about all responses, >including replies and nondelivery notifications, going to the same >address. This is based on indirect information, is it correct? No. It is implementation dependant for the X.400(84) systems, as the standard did not address the subject. Some implementation do it simply, other do it better. Interesting studies were conducted in the European project AMIGO on the subject. The handling of distribution lists, including nested lists and interconnected lists, is extensively described in the 1988 standard. > Mark Christian Huitema
mmarsh@ciss.dayton.ncr.COM ("Mel.Marsh@ciss.Dayton.NCR.COM") (03/07/90)
In article <22557@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> mfi@beach.cis.ufl.EDU writes: > >Hi, >I am rather niave on the subject of mail protocols, but now that >momentum is gathering for x.400 are there any *plans* to provide x.400 >in Unix and begin to transition the Net (mail/News) to X.400? >Thanks > At the Electronic Mail Association meeting in Miami last week there were presentations by Marshall Rose (involved with NYSERNet) and Stephen Wolff (NSFNet) about plans for X.400 and X.500 on the Internet. Stephen Wolff talked more about X.400 and Marshall Rose talked about X.500. There are plans to begin migrating Internet to X.400 over TCP/IP in the near future with full OSI stacks in the long future. Marshall Rose presented the results of a pilot using X.500 for "white pages" of Internet users which was very successful. Again, the short term plan is for X.500 to run over TCP/IP with long term plans for X.500 over OSI. There are many vendors who are developing X.400 and X.500 products for Unix systems. BTW, some e-mail addresses for you: Stephen.Wolff@nsf.gov Marshall.Rose@psi.com EMA has mailboxes on just about any e-mail service you can think of. ATT Mail !EMA CompuServe 70007,2377 Dialcom 63:PRD003 EasyLink 62886257 Envoy 100 EMA GEnie EMA iNET ema.association MCI Mail EMA OnTyme EMA.SUP SprintMail [ema/associates] mail/usa So pick your favorite service & talk to them. Also, both MCI and CompuServe have connections to the Internet. -- Mel Marsh NCR Corporation, Network Application Services Mel.Marsh@Dayton.NCR.COM
yee@trident.arc.nasa.GOV ("Peter E. Yee") (03/07/90)
In article <22557@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> mfi@beach.cis.ufl.EDU writes: >I am rather niave on the subject of mail protocols, but now that >momentum is gathering for x.400 are there any *plans* to provide x.400 >in Unix and begin to transition the Net (mail/News) to X.400? University College London is developing an X.400 package and an SMTP<->X.400 gateway system. It will probably be part of a future release of the ISODE, although I can't speak authoritatively for either the authors of UCL X.400 or ISODE. -Peter Yee yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov ames!yee
cargille@cs.wisc.EDU (Allan Cargille) (03/17/90)
--- Included message #1 > From na-mhsnews-request@ICS.UCI.EDU Thu Feb 22 14:25:48 1990 > From: Ingo Cyliax <cyliax@bank.ecn.purdue.edu> > Subject: finding an X.400 feed > Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 90 14:09:51 GMT > > I'm interested in finding out more about X.400 and have some questions > regarding X.400 in the U.S.. > > 1. where would one be able to find a X.400 feed (ADMD or PRMD) in > the U.S.? > 2. what agency/group decides on X.400 addressing in the U.S.? what > addressing schemes exist ? > 3. is that agency/group also responsible for deciding on who > can become an ADMD in the U.S. ? since the U.S. doesn't > have a PTT, can I assume that there are more than one ADMD's > in the U.S. ? > 4. what are some of the ADMD's in the U.S. ? how do they interconnect > with ADMD's in other countries ? do any of them internetwork with > other message services, such as the Internet ? > 5. has any of the ADMD's in the U.S. already committed themselves to > the X.400 (88) standard ? > > If anyone can send me some info by E-Mail, I could summarize them on the > net. --- Included message #2 > From na-mhsnews-request@ICS.UCI.EDU Mon Mar 5 15:49:51 1990 > From: Mark Interrante <mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu> > Subject: x.400 for Internet? > Organization: UF CIS Department > Date: 5 Mar 90 13:53:15 GMT > > Hi, > I am rather niave on the subject of mail protocols, but now that > momentum is gathering for x.400 are there any *plans* to provide x.400 > in Unix and begin to transition the Net (mail/News) to X.400? > Thanks Hi, I've been meaning to respond to this, but it took me a while. Sorry! I'm working on a pilot project with Professor Larry Landweber to bring X.400 software to up to 40 university and government research sites on the Internet. We're presently funded by NASA. We have a license agreement with IBM that allows us to distribute 20 copies of the X.400(84) software that was developed at the University of Wisconsin. This software supports a user interface that based on ucb/mail, and stores messages in ASN.1 (binary) format instead of ascii. We are running ISO Session over TCP/IP using RFC1006. The software is currently installed and running at the UW and the NSF in Washington, DC. Rice University is installing the software. We are working on getting license agreements signed with several other sites. We are presently working on experimental X.400 connections with the European RARE WG1 and R&D MHS Managers using RFC1006 over TCP/IP. We plan to incorporate PP into our experiment when it becomes available. At some point in the future we hope to run directly on top of TP4/CLNP. We are still recruiting sites to join our pilot project and install and use X.400. If you are interested in joining or would like more information, please email me or give me a call. We are looking for sites that will commit to using the software. allan -- Allan Cargille Computer Sciences Department Associate Researcher University of Wisconsin-Madison Internet X.400 Project 1210 West Dayton Street cargille@cs.wisc.edu Madison, WI 53706 uwvax!cargille +1 (608) 262 5084
messing@gateway.mitre.ORG (03/20/90)
We at the MITRE Networking Center are very interested in joining your X.400 pilot project. We have been searching for an X.400 to in install and use. We currently have the ISODE, running over SunLink or using RFC1006 over TCP, and the BSD 4.3 OSI protocols running in our Internet Testbed. Please send us any information we need to facilitate our joining the project. We have definite plans to use the X.400 software and would like to be part of your test. Thanks. Judy Messing ------------- Judy Messing The MITRE Corporation Member Technical Staff 7525 Colshire Drive Networking Center McLean, Virginia 22102-3481 messing@gateway.mitre.org +1 (703) 883-6670
gamiddon@maytag.waterloo.EDU (Guy Middleton) (03/21/90)
One can also run the EAN software, developed at the University of British Columbia. It is an X.400 mail system, and can use TCP as a transport layer.
pays@mars.emse.fr (Paul-Andre Pays) (03/21/90)
One can also use the INRIA MPLUS software, developed at the INRIA Sophia research labs, It is an X.400 mails system plus RFC987 gateway and can use TCP as a transport layer (even it provides access to DNS). Contact Ch HUITEMA (huitema@mirsa.inria.fr) for availability conditions. -- PAP
pv@Eng.Sun.COM (Peter Vanderbilt) (03/22/90)
Sun also has an X.400 gateway product. Pete
MESSING%GATEWAY.MITRE.ORG@cunyvm.cuny.EDU (03/23/90)
We at the MITRE Networking Center are very interested in joining your X.400 pilot project. We have been searching for an X.400 to in install and use. We currently have the ISODE, running over SunLink or using RFC1006 over TCP, and the BSD 4.3 OSI protocols running in our Internet Testbed. Please send us any information we need to facilitate our joining the project. We have definite plans to use the X.400 software and would like to be part of your test. Thanks. Judy Messing ------------- Judy Messing The MITRE Corporation Member Technical Staff 7525 Colshire Drive Networking Center McLean, Virginia 22102-3481 messing@gateway.mitre.org +1 (703) 883-6670
edward@TWG.COM ("Edward C. Bennett") (03/23/90)
The Wollongong Group is in the race as well. WIN-MHS can do SMTP, X.400 (1984 right now, 1988 next version) and RFC987. When running over WIN-ULS (Upper Layer Services) it can talk X.400 over TCP, TP4 and X.25. -- Edward C. Bennett - The other MMDF guy edward@twg.com The Wollongong Group (415) 962-7252 1129 San Antonio Road, Palo Alto, CA 94303 "He's become a growling, snarling mass of white-hot canine terror"
GAMIDDON%MAYTAG.WATERLOO.EDU@cunyvm.cuny.EDU (03/23/90)
>X-Attn: jns >Path: maytag!gamiddon >Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400 >Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility >Lines: 2 >Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 90 22:03:28 -0800 One can also run the EAN software, developed at the University of British Columbia. It is an X.400 mail system, and can use TCP as a transport layer.