karl@syssup.tds.philips.nl (Karl Lovink) (09/27/90)
Hello Netlanders, We are looking for a X400 <-> SMTP gateway which is transparent for the end-user. We need this product for one of our customers. Can somebody supply me with information about such products. In a week of two I will summerize all the answer I got. Thanks in advance, and kind regards, -- ( ) Karl Lovink Philips Information Systems, Netherlands } @ @ { Department: Systems Support Optical Filing -- |___| -- UUCP: uunet!mcsun!philapd!idcapd!ofssrv!karl _/ \_ NET : karl@ofssrv.syssup.tds.philips.nl -- ( ) Karl Lovink Philips Information Systems, Netherlands } @ @ { Department: Systems Support Optical Filing -- |___| -- UUCP: uunet!mcsun!philapd!idcapd!ofssrv!karl _/ \_ NET : karl@ofssrv.syssup.tds.philips.nl
pv@Eng.Sun.COM (Peter Vanderbilt) (09/27/90)
> We are looking for a X400 <-> SMTP gateway which is transparent > for the end-user. > We need this product for one of our customers. > Can somebody supply me with information about such products. Sun Microsystems has such a product, called SunNet MHS. Pete
ms@relay.eu.NET (Marc Sheldon) (09/28/90)
karl@syssup.tds.philips.nl (Karl Lovink) writes: >We are looking for a X400 <-> SMTP gateway which is transparent >for the end-user. >We need this product for one of our customers. >Can somebody supply me with information about such products. >In a week of two I will summerize all the answer I got. Have a look at PP 5.0. It's available via anonymous ftp from unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (129.217.64.60) in the ~ftp/pub/network/iso/isode directory and named pp-5.tar.Z. You need ISODE 6.0 to run it. Marc Marc Sheldon e-mail : ms@Uni-Dortmund.DE University of Dortmund, CS-Department P.O.Box 500500 voice : +49 231 7552444 D-4600 Dortmund 50, West Germany FAX : +49 231 7552386
shekhar@hpindda.cup.hp.COM (Shekhar Bhide) (09/29/90)
> karl@syssup.tds.philips.nl (Karl Lovink) / 11:14 am Sep 26, 1990 / > Hello Netlanders, > We are looking for a X400 <-> SMTP gateway which is transparent > for the end-user. > We need this product for one of our customers. > Can somebody supply me with information about such products. > In a week of two I will summerize all the answer I got. > Thanks in advance, and kind regards, Hewlett-Packard has a product called X.400/9000 which is as a X400 <-> SMTP gateway, product number is 32031A. Please e-mail me if you need more info.. #include <disclaimer.h> Shekhar Bhide ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hewlett Packard Information Networks Division, Mail Stop 43LS Homestead Road, Cupertino, California, 95014-9974, US ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- X.400: C=US;AD=ATTMAIL;PD=HP;ORG=HP;OU1=HP6600;SN=Bhide;GN=Shekhar Unix Mail: shekhar@hpindqc.cup.hp.com Telephone: US 408 447 2628 Fax: US 408 447 3660 Voice Mail: US 408 447 2628 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
harald.alvestrand@elab-runit.sintef.no (10/01/90)
Two words of warning: 1) "Transparent to the users" is meaningless in this context. The best that you can ask for is "that does not give the user too much pain". 2) Be VERY SURE to ask for conformance to RFC987 or RFC1148 before buying Also, be sure to have a source for the coordinated RFC987 tables before installing. Otherwise, connecting to the global Internet from the global (or European) X.400 network is a royal pain. Since you are in the Netherlands, I suggest contacting your local RARE MHS service contact before proceeding with procurement for such a gateway. Contact point for the RARE MHS service: mhs-project-team@rare.no C=no;ADMD= ;PRMD=uninett;O=rare;S=mhs-project-team Harald Tveit Alvestrand RARE MHS project leader
pww@uunet.uu.NET (Peter Whittaker) (10/02/90)
In article <47920010@hpindda.cup.hp.com> shekhar@hpindda.cup.hp.COM (Shekhar Bhide) writes: > >> karl@syssup.tds.philips.nl (Karl Lovink) / 11:14 am Sep 26, 1990 / > > >> Hello Netlanders, > >> We are looking for a X400 <-> SMTP gateway which is transparent >> for the end-user. >> We need this product for one of our customers. >> Can somebody supply me with information about such products. >> In a week of two I will summerize all the answer I got. > > >> Thanks in advance, and kind regards, > >Hewlett-Packard has a product called X.400/9000 which is as a X400 <-> SMTP >gateway, product number is 32031A. Please e-mail me if you need more info.. > While the H/P Gateway sits between your X.400 MHS and SMTP, H/P's X.400 is only an MTA: H/P uses a proprietary mail system on top of that. In other words, you might pay for functionality you can't or don't want to use. While it might not conform to netiquette, I wouldn't mind seeing an authoritive product description from H/P posted to this newsgroup: no one with whom I've spoken (H/P rep and others) has been able to clearly and unambiguously state what X.400/9000 does. The fact that it is an X.400 interface to a proprietary e-mail system is something you have to piece together from the sales literature and vendor descriptions. Thanks, and may *your* OS not self destruct if you put it to sleep, Peter W. #define BORG_OS if ((sleep_rc=sleep()) == -1) switch sleep_rc { case CATNAP: self_destruct(); break; case NO_USEFUL_VALUE: complain("Why are we still running 20th_C_Unix?"); breaking; default: fill_hole_in_script(); broken; } #endif
khiem@hpinddm.cup.hp.COM (Khiem Ho) (10/02/90)
To: bnrgate!bnr.ca!pww@uunet.uu.NET (Peter Whittaker) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 14:53:56 PDT Cc: bnrgate!bnr.ca!mhsnews@ICS.UCI.EDU, shekhar@hpinddm.cup.hp.com (Shekhar Bhide) In-Reply-To: <1990Oct1.132343.16687@bnrgate.bnr.ca>; from "Peter Whittaker" at Oct 1, 90 1:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL10] > > While the H/P Gateway sits between your X.400 MHS and SMTP, H/P's X.400 > is only an MTA: H/P uses a proprietary mail system on top of that. > > In other words, you might pay for functionality you can't or don't > want to use. > > While it might not conform to netiquette, I wouldn't mind seeing > an authoritive product description from H/P posted to this newsgroup: > no one with whom I've spoken (H/P rep and others) has been able to clearly > and unambiguously state what X.400/9000 does. The fact that it is an > X.400 interface to a proprietary e-mail system is something you have > to piece together from the sales literature and vendor descriptions. > > Peter W. Peter W. asked for some more info on HP X.400/9000 product. Here's a brief description. To keep in line with netiquette, if more detailed info is needed, please contact me. +-----------+ +-----------+ | ELM/mailx | | OpenMail | +-----------+ +-----------+ +-----------+ | Sendmail | +-----------+ ========================= | +-----------+ | +--------------+ | | X4mailer | | | X.400 interf | | +-----------+ | +--------------+ | ==================== | +----------+ | | | Message | | | X.400/9000 | Transfer | | | Product | Agent | | | +----------+ | | +----------+ | | | Reliable | | | | Transfer | | | | Server | | | +----------+ | ============================================ +----------+ | OSI | | Transport| | Service | +----------+ +-------------+ | X.25 or LAN | +-------------+ The X.400/9000 product includes "x4mailer" to provide X.400 gateway service to UNIX(r) mail users (a` la SMTP/RFC822/RFC987), besides being an MTA. x4mailer is to be used with "sendmail". Some configuration will be needed. Another product, HP OpenMail/X.400 Interface allows HP OpenMail product to integrate with X.400/9000. HP OpenMail is X.400-based mail server. One among HP OpenMail functionalities is X.400 User Agent application, supporting terminal as well as PC interfaces. Other products are needed for a complete OSI stack: OTS/9000 (for Session and Transport), and X.25/9000 and/or LAN/9000 (for network service). Only the HP X.400/9000 and the products for lower layers are required for an RFC822/X.400 gateway. Khiem Ho Hewlett-Packard X.400: C=US/AD=ATTMAIL/PD=HP/ORG=HP/OU1=HP6600/SN=Ho/GN=Khiem Internet: khiem@hpinddm.cup.hp.com Phone: (408)447-2660
S.Kille@cs.ucl.ac.UK (Steve Kille) (10/02/90)
I was surprised to hear that some of you on this list had not seen the recent PP announcement. I'll give it here. Apologies for those of you who have seen it before. From: Steve Kille <S.Kille@uk.ac.ucl.cs> Subject: PP 5.0 Release Announcement To: Multiple Lists:; Date: Fri, 21 Sep 90 11:35:33 BST We are delighted to annonce the first public release of the PP Message Transfer Agent. Steve Kille + Julian Onions A N N O U N C E M E N T The next release of PP will be available on September 21st, 1990. This release will be the first general public release. It is known as PP 5.0 PP is a Message Transfer Agent, intended for high volume message switching, protocol conversion, and format conversion. It is targeted for use in an operational environment, but may also be useful for investigating Message related applications. Good management features are a major aspect of this system. PP supports the 1984 and 1988 versions of the CCITT X.400 / ISO 10021 services and protocols. Many existing RFC 822 based protocols are supported, along with RFC 1148 conversion to X.400. PP is an appropriate replacement for MMDF or Sendmail. o PP is not proprietary and can be used for any purpose. The only restriction is that suing of the authors for any damage the code may cause is not allowed. o PP runs on a range of UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems, in particular: SUNOS, Ultrix, and BSD. No kernel modifications are required. o Current modules include: - X.400 (1984) P1 protocol - JNT Mail (Grey Book) Protocol - Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP / RFC 821) - UUCP Mail transfer - Distribution List expansion and maintenance. - RFC 822 based local delivery - Delivery time processing of messages - Conversion between X.400 and RFC 822 according to RFC 1148 and RFC 987 - Conversion support for reformatting body parts and headers. - X-Windows based management console. - Message Authorisation checking - X.400 (1988) P1 protocol (beta test) - X.500 based distribution list facility using the QUIPU directory (beta test) o No User Agents (UAs) are included with PP. However, procedural access to the MTA is documented, to encourage others to write or to port UAs. Several existing UAs, such as MH, may be used with PP. o PP 5.0 requires ISODE 6.0. Releases of ISODE before and after 6.0 cannot be used as alternatives. 1 o X-Windows release X11R4 is neded by some of the management tools. PP can be operated without these tools. o Although PP is not "supported" per se (but see later), it does have a problem reporting address: RFC 822: PP-SUPPORT@CS.UCL.AC.UK X.400: S=PP-Support; OU=CS; O=UCL; PRMD=UK.AC; ADMD= ; C=GB; Bug reports (and fixes) are welcome. o The discussion group PP-PEOPLE@CS.UCL.AC.UK is used as an open forum on PP; Contact PP-PEOPLE-REQUEST@CS.UCL.AC.UK to be added to this list. o The primary documentation for this release consists of a three and a half volume User's Manual (approx. 300 pages) and a set of UNIX manual pages. The sources to the User's Manual are in LaTeX format. For more information, contact: Steve Kille Department of Computer Science University College London Gower Street London WC1E 6BT England 2 DISTRIBUTION SITES NIFTP If you run NIFTP over the public X.25 or over JANET, and are registered in the NRS at Salford, you can use NIFTP with username "guest" and your own name as password, to access UK.AC.UCL.CS to retrieve the file pp/pp-5.tar. The file <PP>pp-5.tar.Z is the tar image after being run through the compress program (approx 2Mb). FTP If you can FTP to the Internet from outside Europe, then use anonymous FTP to uu.psi.com [136.161.128.3] to retrieve the file pp-5.tar.Z in BINARY mode from the isode/ directory. This file is the tar image after being run through the compress program and is approximately 2Mb in size. If you can FTP to the Internet from Europe, then use anonymous FTP to nic.eu.net [192.16.202.1] to retrieve the file pp-5.tar.Z in BINARY mode from the network/isode/ directory. This file is the tar image after being run through the compress program and is approximately 2Mb in size. EUROPE (tape and documentation) For mailings in EUROPE, send a cheque or bankers draft and a purchase order for 200 Pounds Sterling to: Postal address: Department of Computer Science Attn: Natalie May/Dawn Bailey University College London Gower Street London, WC1E 6BT UK For information only: Telephone: +44 1-380-7214 Fax: +44 1-387-1397 Telex: 28722 Internet: natalie@cs.ucl.ac.uk dawn@cs.ucl.ac.uk Specify one of: 1. 1600bpi 1/2-inch tape, or 2. Sun 1/4-inch cartridge tape. The tape will be written in tar format and returned with a documentation set. Do not send tapes or envelopes. Documentation only is the same price. 3 EUROPE (tape only) Tapes without hardcopy documentation can be obtained via the Software Distribution service of the European Unix User group (EUUG). The PP-5 distribution is called "EUUGD22 - PP (5.0)". Postal address: EUUG Software Distributions c/o Frank Kuiper Centrum voor Wiskunde en Informatica Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands For information only: Telephone: +31 20-5924121 (or +31 20-5929333) Telex: 12571 mactr nl Telefax: +31-20-5924199 Internet: euug-tapes@cwi.nl Specify one of: 1. 1600bpi 1/2-inch tape: 130 Dutch Guilders 2. 800bpi 1/2-inch tape: 150 Dutch Guilders 3. Sun 1/4-inch cartridge tape (QIC-24 format): 190 Dutch Guilders 4. Sun 1/4-inch cartridge tape (QIC-11 format): 215 Dutch Guilders If you require DHL this is possible and will be billed through. Note that if you are not a member of EUUG, then there is an additional handling fee of 300 Dutch Guilders (please encloses a copy of your membership or contribution payment form when ordering). Do not send money, cheques, tapes or envelopes, you will be invoiced. NORTH AMERICA For mailings in NORTH AMERICA, send a check for 375 US Dollars to: Postal address: University of Pennsylvania Department of Computer and Information Science Moore School Attn: David J. Farber (PP Distribution) 200 South 33rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-6314 US Telephone: +1 215-898-8560 Specify one of: 1. 1600bpi 1/2-inch tape, or 4 2. Sun 1/4-inch cartridge tape. The tape will be written in tar format and returned with a documentation set. Do not send tapes or envelopes. Documentation only is the same price. AUSTRALIA and NEW ZEALAND For mailings in AUSTRALIA and NEW ZEALAND, 1. If you already have ISODE-6.0, send a cheque for 100 dollars Australian to the following address. You will recieve only the PP manuals and a PP tape. CLEARLY SPECIFY ON THE CHEQUE AND ORDER THAT YOU ONLY WANT PP. 2. If you do not have ISODE-6.0, send a cheque for 300 dollars Australian to the following address. You will recieve a tape containing both ISODE-6.0 and PP, together with manuals for both ISODE-6.0 and PP. Postal address: CSIRO DIT Attn: Andrew Waugh (ISODE Distribution) 55 Barry Street Carlton, 3053 Australia For information only: Telephone: +61 3-347-8644 Fax: +61 3-347-8987 Internet: ajw@ditmela.oz.au Specify one of: 1. 1600/3200/6250bpi 1/2-inch tape, or 2. Sun 1/4_inch cartridge tape in either QIC-11 or QIC-24 format. The tape will be written in tar format and returned with a documentation set. Do not send tapes or envelopes. Documentation only is the same price. FTAM on JANET or PSS The source code is available by FTAM at the University College London over X.25 using JANET (DTE 00000511160013) or PSS (DTE 23421920030013) with TSEL 259 (ASCII encoding). Use the "anon" user-identity and retrieve the file pp-5.tar. The file pp-5.tar.Z is the tar image after being run through the compress program (2Mb). 5 FTAM on the Internet The source code is available by FTAM over the Internet at host osi.nyser.net [192.33.4.10] (TCP port 102 selects the OSI transport service) with TSEL 259 (numeric encoding). Use the "anon" user-identity, supply any password, and retrieve pp-5.tar.Z from the isode directory. This file is the tar image after being run through the compress program and is approximately 2Mb in size. Online Postscript For distributions via FTAM, the file service is provided by the FTAM implementation in ISODE 5.0 or later (IS FTAM). For distributions via either FTAM or FTP, there are additional file available for retrieval, called pp-5-ps-a4.tar.Z and pp-5-ps-us.tar.Z which are compressed tar images (??MB) containing the entire documentation set in PostScript format, for A4 and US paper respectively. SUPPORT A UK company has been set up to provide support for the ISODE, PP associated packages - X-Tel Services Ltd. This company provides an update service, general assistance and site specific support. This company is closely associated with the development of PP. Postal Address: X-Tel Services Ltd. Tower Block Nottingham University Nottingham, NG7 2RD UK Telephone: +44 602-412648 Fax: +44 602-588138 Internet: support@xtel.co.uk xtel@cs.nott.ac.uk 6