Alf.Hansen@pilot.cs.wisc.EDU (Alf Hansen) (04/10/91)
As far as I know there are only TWO address for the mhsnews list: one in the U.S. (should be used for contributions from the U.S.) one in Norway (should be used for contributions from Europe) Contributions from outside Europe should pick one of the two. Therefore I don't understand why local redistribution addresses makes it difficult for peopole like Peter to reply. Best regards, Alf H. =================================== Message -- (encoded size: 3774 bytes) Delivery id: hansen671296891.31hermit.cs.uw Delivery time: Apr 10, 1991 10:21:31 Ip-msg-id: (q)91-04-10-15:38:08.33(042)GRZ027(q)(a)DBNGMD21.BITNET From: "Peter Sylvester +33 1 69823973" <c=us/prmd=xnren/o=bitnet/ou=DBNGMD21/pn=GRZ027> To: c=us/prmd=xnren/o=edu/ou=wisc/ou=cs/pn=alf.hansen Subject: (Copy) Failed mail Can you help me forwarding this to the appropriate list. The message that I used for reply obviously did not have a correct list name in it. I am beginning to find it extremely irritating about the amount of slightly different lists. Thanks for your assistance. ---------------------------- Text of forwarded message ----------------------- Received: (from UKACRL.BITNET for <mmdf@ess.cs.ucl.ac.uk> via BSMTP) Received: (from MAILER@UKACRL for MAILER@DBNGMD21 via NJE) (UCLA/Mail400 V1.421 M-ess-3610-74); Wed, 10 Apr 91 15:25:22 Received: from RL.IB by UKACRL.BITNET (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0639; Wed, 10 Apr 91 14:25:38 BST Received: from RL.IB by UK.AC.RL.IB (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4120; Wed, 10 Apr 91 14:25:37 BST Via: UK.AC.UCL.CS.ESS; 10 APR 91 14:25:34 BST Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 14:23:08 BST From: Memo Service (mmdf.5.86) <mmdf@ESS.CS.UCL.AC.UK> Subject: Failed mail To: GRZ027 Your message was not delivered to the following addresses: (USER) Unknown user name in "mhsnews@UK.AC.UCL.CS.ESS" Your message begins as follows: Received: from UKACRL by UK.AC.RL.IB (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4055; Wed, 10 Apr 91 14:23:32 BST Received: from DBNGMD21.BITNET by UKACRL.BITNET (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0593; Wed, 10 Apr 91 14:23:32 BS Message-ID: <"91-04-10-15:22:49.80*GRZ027"@DBNGMD21.BITNET> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 15:22 To: mhsnews@UK.AC.UCL.CS.ESS In-Reply-To: <9104100343.aa19189@ICS.UCI.EDU> From: Peter Sylvester +33 1 69823973 <GRZ027@EARN.DBNGMD21> Subject: Re: Order of fields in business card printed O/R-address format It seems to me that the discussion of order is influenced by some limitations of some X.400 systems only. When I look to the real world then it is almost clear that the name spaces that are used for the different levels or organisational units are unique. Example you can write to Europaisches Zentralamt fuer zwischenmenschliche Beziehungen Institut fuer Telekommunikation Abteilung CCITT-X400 Arbeitsgruppe OR-Namen and it is absolutely sure that you can write at least the last three organisational units in any order. If implementations would have followed the intention of providing at least some part of directory for "local" routing, then one would obviously try and allow that any order of orgnames would be acceptable for the same thing, and probably some phonetic match would also occur. Therefore I would recommend that one should not discuss the order of org units on business cards but rather try and recommend that systems should tolerate any order. I do not see that one should require that orgunits must be in the correct order except for the reason that some systems currently have problems. There is of course one aspect namely gatewaying to internet. It can happen that some lower level domain name components have to be mapped to a sequence of Orgunits or better a sequence of orgunits to some lower level domain names. But since in these cases the institutions are aware of both environments (since they have agreed that the two forms of mail addresses can be used to reach the same institution, don't they it should be possible to have aliasas in the domain name space as well as in the local X400 user directory. Peter Sylvester -- EARN Office