[gnu.emacs] Proprietary mailing lists

rms@AI.MIT.EDU (10/16/89)

It is quite right that I am not opposed to proprietary mailing lists.
It may come as a surprise to some people, but there are many kinds of
property that I think are legitimate in certain circumstances.  I am
not simply "opposed to property"; I never was.

As a social reformer, I am often criticised simultaneously, by the
same people, for being too extreme and for being not extreme enough.
People construct an oversimplified version of my views, taking them to
the extreme.  Then they pretend that this exaggeration is what I
think, and call me "extreme".  Sooner or later something reveals my
real views are not the same as the exaggeration; then they call me
"inconsistent".

Thus we get the amusing phenomenon of a person who believes in
proprietary mailing lists (I suppose he does, since most people do),
ridiculing me for agreeing with him.


In fact, every organization I know of has a proprietary mailing list,
and most of them make a point of not letting any outsiders send to
them.  In fact, there have been waves of public indignation when
organizations HAVE let outsiders send to their mailing lists.

For example, the ACLU will fight for your right to say just about
anything at all, even to speak against their cause.  No one is more in
favor of free speech than they.  But they won't grant you any right to
send your own material to their mailing list, or even to leave
literature in their lobby for people passing by to pick up.  They
might let you send something, if they think it would help their cause,
but they would insist on reading it before deciding.

Now, perhaps you disapprove of them, and most other organizations, for
this policy.  But if you don't, then it is a double standard to
criticize the FSF for doing the same thing.

(Some day, in a hypertext world, it might be useful to eliminate
proprietary mailing lists.  Suppose that anyone could attach a
footnote to any publication, pointing to an article expressing
disagreement, and any reader would see this footnote--that might be a
good idea.  However, it's not fair to impose this on the FSF alone.
Apple should at the same time have to let us attach footnotes to their
sales literature.)


A discussion group is another matter.  If there is to be a useful
political discussion, no relevant point of view should be excluded.

However, info-gnu-emacs (and its repeater, gnu.emacs) was not supposed
to be a discussion group.  It may have seemed to be one, because (not
liking security) we left it up to the readers to decide what was a
useful announcement.  Some of them started using it as a discussion
group, which showed that there was a demand for one; but
info-gnu-emacs is not it.  We created gnu.misc.discuss to serve for
political discussions.

The FSF had no obligation to set up such a discussion group.  Most
activist organizations don't make a forum for their opponents.  We did
it because we also care about the freedom of speech to the point of
making a place for our critics.

But that doesn't mean we will let them tell us how to run our show.