rms@AI.MIT.EDU (10/16/89)
Uh.... excuse me, but I thought we created gnu.misc.discuss/gnu-misc-discuss
to keep this sort of message [from *either* side] out of the rest of the
gnu.* groups and mailing lists.
Since they are the FSF's mailing lists, the FSF can use them any way it likes.rodney@taac.ipl.rpi.edu (Rodney Peck II) (10/16/89)
>>>>> On 15 Oct 89 17:28:45 GMT, rms@AI.MIT.EDU said:
Anon> Uh.... excuse me, but I thought we created
Anon> gnu.misc.discuss/gnu-misc-discuss to keep this sort of message
Anon> [from *either* side] out of the rest of the gnu.* groups and
Anon> mailing lists.
rms> Since they are the FSF's mailing lists, the FSF can use them any
rms> way it likes.
Wow. I really don't believe you said that. How boldy stupid. I
agree with your opinions on Apple, but I think something like this has
enlightened me and many others you how you are approaching this
problem.
I hope you are prepared for the huge flame fest this sort of thing
will send into these mailing lists -- why would the FSF want low s/n
and high flames?
What a stupid, pathetic move.
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Rodneyrubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff) (10/16/89)
In article <8910151728.AA01420@sugar-bombs.ai.mit.edu> rms@AI.MIT.EDU writes: > > Uh.... excuse me, but I thought we created gnu.misc.discuss/gnu-misc-discuss > to keep this sort of message [from *either* side] out of the rest of the > gnu.* groups and mailing lists. > >Since they are the FSF's mailing lists, the FSF can use them any way it likes. Evidently, Stallman is opposed to proprietary software, but is fully in favor of proprietary mailing lists. Interesting. Robert
HAUGHD88%IRLEARN.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Brian J Haughey) (10/16/89)
@Flame-on You people who are critical of RMS's reply to criticism of his posting are missing the point. The FSF was established to provide "free" software. Most people would agree that that is a noble aspiration. By subscribing to this list, subscribers are indicating at least their interest in FSF's work, aims and policies. As the founder of and spokesman for the FSF, RMS is entitled to expound here, from time to time, on the policies of the FSF. Remember, this is an FSF list. The original message from RMS was quite legitimate in this context. His message was a statement of the FSF's opinion, and a request to believers in the GNU project to follow a course of action. Subscribers are free to decide. The reply to his message, stating that the subscribers to the list had arbitrarily decided that policy issues were no longer to be discussed on this list was quite obviously wrong. This is the forum for FSF policy, and RMS was quite justified in pointing this out. RMS could perhaps have been more politic in his phraseology, but I for one share his sentiments. As this list was established by the FSF for discussing the work *and policies* of the FSF, it is the appropriate forum for RMS to post his messages. HOWEVER, the appropriate place for discussion of FSF policies may quite well be some other list. There's no need for people to get paranoid, or start screaming about fascism... Let's get back to the real business of this list - GNU and GNU-EMACS. @End-flame regards, bjh ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian J Haughey, Internet: Haughd88@Irlearn.ucd.ie 9 Dunseverick Road, Bitnet: Haughd88@Irlearn.Bitnet Clontarf, Janet: haughd88%irlearn.ucd.ie@UK.AC.EARN-RELAY Dublin 3, Arpa: Haughd88%Irlearn.Bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu Ireland. UUCP: mcvax!haughd88@irlearn.ucd.ie Bell: +353-1-515422 Fax: +353-1-520826 Telex: (0500) 30542 LKHQ "There's no future in time travel." -------------------------------------------------------------------------
lyndon@cs.AthabascaU.CA (Lyndon Nerenberg) (10/16/89)
In article <8910151728.AA01420@sugar-bombs.ai.mit.edu> rms@AI.MIT.EDU writes:
[ Something incredibly childish ]
Dear King Gnu:
We the peasants have respected your decree that all blasphemous
discussion not be carried on in groups the kingdom reserves for
wizards.
We the peasantry most humbly request that our lord and master not
tax us excessivly for instituting these measures by posting needless
flames (in contrivention of His own laws) to the wizard groups, thus
driving up the communications tax paid by the peasantry for the most
honored priveledge of listening to the wizards speak in tongues.
[ C'mon Stallman, put up or SHUT UP! ]
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Lyndon Nerenberg VE6BBM / Computing Services / Athabasca University
{alberta,decwrl,lsuc}!atha!lyndon || lyndon@cs.AthabascaU.CA
"I think every man should have a wife. You can't blame
everything on the government." -- Jed Clampettccplumb@rose.waterloo.edu (Colin Plumb) (10/17/89)
> rms@AI.MIT.EDU writes: >> Since they are the FSF's mailing lists, the FSF can use them any way it likes rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff) writes: >Evidently, Stallman is opposed to proprietary software, but is fully in favor >of proprietary mailing lists. Interesting. *sigh*. Well, you can always take RMS's approach to opposition and build your own mailing list. It's not even a great investment of effort, unlike all the stuff the FSF has been rewriting. There are valid arguments against RMS posting his politics to non-.discuss groups, like the fact that it starts pointless discussions (like this one), and undermines the FSF's own rules about the place of politics, but please put a little more thought into criticisms. And as I've said before, RMS has done enough good for the world that I'm willing to forgive him a great many niggling points before I start bugging him and interrupt the flow of great hacks. -- -Colin