blewett@RESEARCH.ATT.COM (03/22/89)
I rarely comment on bad taste, but your article seems to be so over ripe I could not help myself. Your article is exceedingly offensive. I am sure that it will do great damage to whatever it is that you are trying to promote through profanity. Stallman is working for free. What he does I feel is pretty much his business. Doug Blewett (201) 582-6496 AT&T Bell Laboratories research!blewett office 2c470 blewett%research.att.com@relay.cs.net 600 Mountain Avenue blewett@research.att.com Murray Hill, NJ 07974
hurf@IONVAX.TN.CORNELL.EDU (Hurf Sheldon) (03/23/89)
Subject: GNU is GNU - just not Apple While the flame was certianly worded strongly it perhaps indicates the level of feeling associated with Apple's being ostracized by RMS (with the support of many). It may be a time for RMS to reevaluate the pros and cons of his stance against Apple - In most wars it is the soldiers who get hurt the most. It is clear to anyone who looks that Apple is a house divided right now and no matter which view holds sway, the Apple people who don't agree with the way things are going now should be supported in their dilemma rather than punished for it. There are many good minds at Apple and to ignore their work and desire to contribute because of their return address will only build bad feelings for years to come. I don't see the need. On the other hand: Applecorps[wo]men should be aware that there is substantial feeling among the computing community that A/UX was/is being handled badly, and the 'We're Apple, so you can't criticize us' attitude has alienated a greater number of customers, prospective, past and present, than you might imagine. Further more the very great lengths that Apple went to to put Macs with MacOs in users hands has not happened with A/UX. In fact Sun and DEC's actions in this field (as well as Xenix on 386PC's, IBM RT's) have essentially relegated an A/UX MacII to the status of the Edsel. Many share a sense of frustration at seeing this happen, we had such great hopes. It is also sad to see the original spirit at Apple so watered down by 'marketing' considerations. RMS's reaction to Apple's actions spoke in one way or another for a very large segment of the community. It sounds like somebody got the message. The 'computing' community felt let down by Apple long before RMS spoke his mind. Claimer: We are all part of a 'community' and no community benefits from the polarization of views in the long term. You have to leave room for dissent, not have a room for dissent. Hurf Sheldon
tower@WHEATIES.AI.MIT.EDU (03/25/89)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 89 12:40:38 est From: hurf@ionvax.tn.cornell.edu (Hurf Sheldon) <text deleted> There are many good minds at Apple and to ignore their work and desire to contribute because of their return address will only build bad feelings for years to come. I don't see the need. Contributions from people who work for Apple that aren't concerned with porting GNU code to Apple systems (e.g. improvements to the code that benefit everyone, or bug reports on systems other than those manufacured by Apple) will be reviewed on the same basis as contributions from anyone else. thanx -len