[gnu.gcc] The boycott moves forward

rms@AI.MIT.EDU (06/03/89)

I am not considering ending the boycott of Apple, Lotus, and
Ashton-Tate.  Instead, I am working to expand its effectiveness.  

Several people on this list have already told me that they are not
going to buy from Apple, specifically because of the lawsuit.  In
other words, they are participating in the boycott.  One is in a
position to recommend large purchases.  I know the boycott is having
some effect.  

I am now helping to set up a new organization, the League for
Programming Freedom, whose purpose is specifically to fight
look-and-feel copyright through the boycott and other methods.  Our
demonstration against Lotus has received considerable national press
coverage, in which the boycott was described.

While the boycott cannot directly prevent a suit, it can raise the
cost of a suit to a point where some companies might decide not to
sue.  It also helps unite public opinion against the principle of
look-and-feel copyright, and that can influence both courts and
legislators.  

It may be a shame that some people who previously bought Macintoshes
will be somewhat inconvenienced by boycotts by developers.  However,
this is minor compared with the importance of the main issue.  (The
Macintosh users who disagree are clearly motivated by different
goals.)  

Some people seem to think that, because I support free software and
software sharing, I am obliged to do so in a blind, undiscriminating
fashion.  You might as well say that anyone who is against "killing
people" (i.e., murder) must, for consistency, also be a pacifist and
should surrender rather than fight an invading army or a looter.

I agree that my stubborn refusal to cooperate with a project, such as
porting GCC to AU/X, is a form of hostilities.  If I treated innocent
people that way, it would be wrong.  However, treating aggressors this
way is justified and necessary.  I am not a pacifist.

zeeff@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us (Jon Zeeff) (06/06/89)

In article <8906021909.AA00268@sugar-bombs.ai.mit.edu> rms@AI.MIT.EDU writes:
>
>I agree that my stubborn refusal to cooperate with a project, such as
>porting GCC to AU/X, is a form of hostilities.  If I treated innocent
>people that way, it would be wrong.

Users who bought Apple systems a while back ARE innocent (surely you 
don't expect them to have predicted the future).  You are treating 
innocent people that way and it is wrong.  

>However, treating aggressors this way is justified and necessary. 

Not if you are hurting innocent people in the process.  Find other ways to
do what you want (I think this one is doing you more harm than good).


-- 
  Jon Zeeff			zeeff@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us
  Ann Arbor, MI			sharkey!b-tech!zeeff

jeffrey@algor2.UUCP (Jeffrey Kegler) (06/07/89)

In article <8906021909.AA00268@sugar-bombs.ai.mit.edu> rms@AI.MIT.EDU writes:
>I agree that my stubborn refusal to cooperate with a project, such as
>porting GCC to AU/X, is a form of hostilities.

And about time, too.  I decided to boycott Apple when they sued Steve Jobs.
I told nobody and assumed my endeavor was doomed to futility, but it
definitely made me feel better.  Buying from Apple is trading with the
enemy.  I could not stand reading about what Apple is doing, and knowing I
had helped, even in a tiny way.

I do not mean a personal criticism of any person owning Apple equipment, or
working for Apple.  You trade with the enemy in cases of dire necessity, or
if you don't see them as the enemy.

Everyone knows there are those people who file meritless lawsuits in order
to harass.  Unfortunately, in order to allow truly wronged people to have
their day in court, this is necessary.  But we do not have to invite John
Scully over for dinner.  And we do not have to pay his lawyers with our
money.

No free speech issue is involved in excluding ads for Apple software, or
anything else, from this newsgroup.  Where someone controls a medium he has
the right (and duty) to exercise judgement and taste in controlling what
goes over it.  The quality of that judgement and taste will vary, and
errors are not only possible but probable, but that is a necessary evil.
Suppose _National Review_ were forced to give equal time to socialism?
Would that advance free speech?  Free speech includes the right to
establish your own forum of expression with other consenting people,
excluding whatever in your own arbitrary judgement you feel does not
belong.

A person wanting to promote Apple software using GNU can easily feel this
decision as hostile.  That seems to be the intention and I heartily agree.
People with entirely innocent and honorable intentions who have connections
with Apple they cannot sever will be arbitrarily hurt, and I sympathize to
a small extent.  I am a lot more worried about what Apple is doing to the
industry.  Apple GNU users are free to start their own forum, though this
will be difficult.  They will certainly get no help from me, for what
little that means.
-- 

Jeffrey Kegler, President, Algorists,
jeffrey@algor2.UU.NET or uunet!algor2!jeffrey
1762 Wainwright DR, Reston VA 22090

ckim@esunix.UUCP (Cheol Kim) (06/16/89)

In article <9412@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us>, zeeff@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us (Jon Zeeff) writes:
> In article <8906021909.AA00268@sugar-bombs.ai.mit.edu> rms@AI.MIT.EDU writes:
> >
> >I agree that my stubborn refusal to cooperate with a project, such as
> >porting GCC to AU/X, is a form of hostilities.  If I treated innocent
> >people that way, it would be wrong.
> 
> Users who bought Apple systems a while back ARE innocent (surely you 
> don't expect them to have predicted the future).  You are treating 
> innocent people that way and it is wrong.  
> 
> >However, treating aggressors this way is justified and necessary. 
> 
> Not if you are hurting innocent people in the process.  Find other ways to
> do what you want (I think this one is doing you more harm than good).
> 
> 
> -- 
>   Jon Zeeff			zeeff@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us
>   Ann Arbor, MI			sharkey!b-tech!zeeff


I am not against socialism and think that it is a swell thing for 
many people on this very earth. However, considering social wellfare
of people, especially those with Apple computers, one wonders
whether everyone is entitled to everything. Apple users did not 
have GNU C to start with. Just because they don't get this utility,
it does not mean GNU is out to hurt anyone. It is a socialistic
idea that such effort of GNU is harmful.

In fact, GNU is trying to stand for what it initially desired to do so.
Do I see the same scenario as that movie, "Tucker"?  In fact, I see
Gnu's effort and the whole project as a club of some sort. These are 
the people who like to pursue betterment of life thru sharing ideas
and all. I am getting corny.  By now, you may get a few hints that I fully
and whole-heartedly support GNU's efforts. You bet your life saver.

cheol

"It is all religion and someone will write your epitaph you don't mean."