FYS-EH@FINTUVM.BITNET (Esa Heinonen) (05/16/89)
Does anyone know if there is a PL/M-80 compiler (commercial or otherwise) for use in MS-DOS machines? Intel does not sell one, and we need one bad. We have old code to maintain, and converting it to some other language doesn't sound like fun to me... ------------------------------------------------ | Esa Heinonen, University of Turku, Finland | ------------------------------------------------ | Bitnet: FYS-EH at FINTUVM | | Internet: FYS-EH at FINTUVM.UTU.FI or | | FYS-EH at MAMMUTTI.UTU.FI | ------------------------------------------------
davidsen@sungod.steinmetz (William Davidsen) (05/17/89)
In article <808FYS-EH@FINTUVM> FYS-EH@FINTUVM.BITNET (Esa Heinonen) writes: | Does anyone know if there is a PL/M-80 compiler (commercial | or otherwise) for use in MS-DOS machines? | | Intel does not sell one, and we need one bad. We have old | code to maintain, and converting it to some other language | doesn't sound like fun to me... Here's how to do it... there is an emulator program which allows you to run CP/M-80 programs on a PC. There is a free version and a commercial version, and I can dig up the free version if you can't find it locally. There is also a program which allows running ISIS software under CP/M-80. I believe you could combine these two and do what you want, assuming that you originally developed this stuff on the ISIS PL/M-80. This is really old stuff, but I guess if you really don't want to rewrite you could do it. Post to the cpm and intel groups looking for this stuff. | ------------------------------------------------ | | Esa Heinonen, University of Turku, Finland | | ------------------------------------------------ | | Bitnet: FYS-EH at FINTUVM | | | Internet: FYS-EH at FINTUVM.UTU.FI or | | | FYS-EH at MAMMUTTI.UTU.FI | | ------------------------------------------------ bill davidsen (davidsen@crdos1.crd.GE.COM) {uunet | philabs}!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
jep@oink.UUCP (James E. Prior) (05/17/89)
In article <808FYS-EH@FINTUVM> FYS-EH@FINTUVM.BITNET (Esa Heinonen) writes: >Does anyone know if there is a PL/M-80 compiler (commercial >or otherwise) for use in MS-DOS machines? > >Intel does not sell one, and we need one bad. We have old >code to maintain, and converting it to some other language >doesn't sound like fun to me... There's a company down in Florida that sells some products to let you run old ISIS (8080) programs on ordinary PCs. I've been using it at work for a few years. Anything is better than the dreaded blue boxes. The company is Micro Interfaces 16359 N.W. 57th Ave. Hialeah, Florida (USA) 33014 (305) 623-9262 1-800-637-7226 Telex 5106004680 MICRO INTER CO. I think an older address is: Micro Interfaces Corporation Suite #200, 18590 N.W. 67th Avenue Miami, Florida 33015 (305) 823-8088 There programs love to begin each listing file with their stupid header. It really annoys me. To stop their program from generating the stupid headers, use debug to find LST in the .EXE files and change it to lst (lowercase). Good luck, I hope this makes it all the way back to Europe. -- Jim Prior jep@oink osu-cis!n8emr!oink!jep N8KSM
vail@tegra.UUCP (Johnathan Vail) (05/18/89)
In article <808FYS-EH@FINTUVM> FYS-EH@FINTUVM.BITNET (Esa Heinonen) writes: Does anyone know if there is a PL/M-80 compiler (commercial or otherwise) for use in MS-DOS machines? Intel does not sell one, and we need one bad. We have old code to maintain, and converting it to some other language doesn't sound like fun to me... ------------------------------------------------ | Esa Heinonen, University of Turku, Finland | ------------------------------------------------ I believe Intel *does* sell one for MS-DOS. I was consulting for a company and was working on getting them to get it. I don't think it was cheap, though. Somewhere just this side of $1K. Call your Intel rep again... "Like a clock, they sent, through, a washing machine: come around, make it soon, so alone." -- Syd Barrett _____ | | Johnathan Vail | tegra!N1DXG@ulowell.edu |Tegra| (508) 663-7435 | N1DXG@145.110-,145.270-,444.2+,448.625- -----
kenner@guardian.UUCP (Ken Reese) (05/18/89)
A company called RTCS made an ISIS emulator that runs under MS-DOS. I've seen it used to run several ISIS-based translators and compilers. If the company is still in business it would probably be the best bet for running any ISIS software.
jep@oink.UUCP (James E. Prior) (05/18/89)
In article <208@guardian.UUCP> guardian!kenner@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Ken Reese) writes: >A company called RTCS made an ISIS emulator that runs under MS-DOS. >I've seen it used to run several ISIS-based translators and compilers. If >the company is still in business it would probably be the best bet for >running any ISIS software. We have it here. It's screwy as hell. They must have really worked hard to come up with some of their bugs. When we run a particular assembler, it barfs under ISIM, unless the command line argument file names are of different lengths! I didn't make this up. I don't trust ISIM. -- Jim Prior jep@oink osu-cis!n8emr!oink!jep N8KSM
gerry@lethe.UUCP (Gerry) (05/19/89)
In article <26@oink.UUCP>, jep@oink.UUCP (James E. Prior) writes: > In article <808FYS-EH@FINTUVM> FYS-EH@FINTUVM.BITNET (Esa Heinonen) writes: > >Does anyone know if there is a PL/M-80 compiler (commercial > >or otherwise) for use in MS-DOS machines? > > > >Intel does not sell one, and we need one bad. We have old > >code to maintain, and converting it to some other language > >doesn't sound like fun to me... > > There's a company down in Florida that sells some products to let > you run old ISIS (8080) programs on ordinary PCs. I've been using > > The company is > Micro Interfaces > < addresses and discussion deleted > > As memeory serves Digital Research used PL/M to develop CP/Ms and they offered their version on a number of platforms. Later they even came out with PL/1 (subset G) on CP/M machines and PCs. With this background they're certainly worth querying. The only address I have for them is from my CP/M-86 documentation circa '83. Here it is: Digital Research P.O. Box 579 160 Central Avenue Pacific Grove, CA 93950 U.S.A. 408-649-3896 With some luck, you may be able to locate one of the European reps with some knowledge of the product. Good hunting, ger
jep@oink.UUCP (James E. Prior) (05/19/89)
In article <507@atlas.tegra.UUCP> vail@tegra.UUCP (Johnathan Vail) writes: >In article <808FYS-EH@FINTUVM> FYS-EH@FINTUVM.BITNET (Esa Heinonen) writes: > Does anyone know if there is a PL/M-80 compiler (commercial > or otherwise) for use in MS-DOS machines? > > Intel does not sell one, ... > >I believe Intel *does* sell one for MS-DOS. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Intel sells PL/M-80 to run on MS-DOS, since where I work, we bought PL/M-51 compiler to run under MS-DOS. BEWARE, the MS-DOS version of the PL/M-51 compiler we bought had some sort of copy protection scheme that screwed up our hard disk. One feller lost a lot of work and time because of it. We found it to be unusable and had to go back to the old blue box version. Intel refused to return our money. We got burned. I think we lost a couple grand to Intel, and the only thing we gained was a screwed up hard disk. I'm very leary of Intel's software any more. Good luck -- Jim Prior jep@oink osu-cis!n8emr!oink!jep N8KSM
asgard@cpro.uucp (J.R. Stoner) (05/20/89)
From article <26@oink.UUCP>, by jep@oink.UUCP (James E. Prior): > In article <808FYS-EH@FINTUVM> FYS-EH@FINTUVM.BITNET (Esa Heinonen) writes: >>Does anyone know if there is a PL/M-80 compiler (commercial >>or otherwise) for use in MS-DOS machines? >> >>Intel does not sell one, and we need one bad. We have old >>code to maintain, and converting it to some other language >>doesn't sound like fun to me... You have specified "MS-DOG machine" and not running MS-DOG. I suggest you consider the PL/M-80 compiler associated with CP/M-xx for execution under Concurrent DOS. The CDOS is available from Digital Research and the compiler is available from Alexander and Lord. -- | J.R. (May the Source be With You) Stoner "Dying is easy - | {amdahl,hplabs,decwrl}!pacbell!cpro!asgard Comedy is hard." | asgard@cpro.uucp asgard@well.uucp | asgard@wotan.uucp asgard@fafner.uucp
w8sdz@smoke.BRL.MIL (Keith Petersen) (05/21/89)
A PLM80 compiler written in FORTRAN is available from SIMTEL20 as:
PD2:<CPM.MISC>PLM80.ARK
The ARK is the same as ARC, just named that way to indicate it's for
CP/M.
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of SIMTEL20's CP/M, MSDOS, and MISC archives
Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [26.2.0.74]
Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdzgary@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM (Gary Barrett) (05/24/89)
In article <808FYS-EH@FINTUVM>, FYS-EH@FINTUVM.BITNET (Esa Heinonen) writes: > Does anyone know if there is a PL/M-80 compiler (commercial > or otherwise) for use in MS-DOS machines? > > > ------------------------------------------------ > | Esa Heinonen, University of Turku, Finland | > ------------------------------------------------ I think that you will discover PL/M to be a language totally unsupported outside INTEL itself. Certainly, PL/M has been a very popular language, widely used for micro development. Yet go to any bookstore and you won't find one tutorial on it. And I know of no commercial compilers for it other than those marketed by Intel. The problem is with Intel, not with PL/M. My experience with Intel marketeers has been that the company claims that it supports openness (C, UNIX, etc) yet at the same time tries to push us developers onto their proprietary s/w solutions : PL/M, iRMx, you name it. Clearly, the drive is to lock one into their products and gouge us with high license fees. And heaven help the person who tries to clone any of their stuff. It's lawsuit city. (I can understand how Intel and IBM have become so friendly. They understand one another.) That's too bad too, because I personally find PL/M to be a good language. But who wants non-portable software these days, and a language tied directly to one vendor's product line? If I'm writing a one-time application on an embedded system, PL/M may seem appropriate. But for anything that has to last over the long term, possibly on future hardware platforms, I'm forced to use C.
kirkd@ism780c.isc.com (Kirk Davis) (05/25/89)
In article <507@atlas.tegra.UUCP> vail@tegra.UUCP (Johnathan Vail) writes: >In article <808FYS-EH@FINTUVM> FYS-EH@FINTUVM.BITNET (Esa Heinonen) writes: > > Does anyone know if there is a PL/M-80 compiler (commercial > or otherwise) for use in MS-DOS machines? > You may want to give RTCS Corp. a call (805)-987-9781. They make a OS that rides on top of DOS that allows you to run intels compilers under it. As well as alot of other interesting products like RMX for the pc. --- -kbd- (kirkd@ism780.ism.com)
bcw@rti.UUCP (Bruce Wright) (05/27/89)
In article <2593@lethe.UUCP>, gerry@lethe.UUCP (Gerry) writes: > > As memeory serves Digital Research used PL/M to develop CP/Ms and they offered > their version on a number of platforms. Later they even came out with PL/1 > (subset G) on CP/M machines and PCs. With this background they're certainly > worth querying. DRI is still in business, but they are now into things like GEM and Concurrent DOS. They haven't been in the language business for some time - I'm not even sure that they will sell you anything; it will certainly not have been worked on in several years ... PL/M is related to PL/I only in some of the low-level syntax. The high-level syntax and the semantics are quite different. I'm not sure that DRI ever marketed a PL/M compiler, though Gary Kildall did write the first Intel PL/M compiler and used the language quite a bit in CP/M. The PL/I compiler that DRI had for the 8080 and 8086 was a far cry from a Subset G PL/I compiler- it was more like Fortran with semicolens and structures (RECORDs for you Pascal types). It was also full of horrible bugs and only supported the small model. I have had the misfortune to have to convert a significant amount of code from real Subset G compilers to the DRI PL/I compiler and take my word for it, you don't want it if you can possibly avoid it. Bruce C. Wright
asgard@cpro.uucp (J.R. Stoner) (05/27/89)
From article <2985@rti.UUCP>, by bcw@rti.UUCP (Bruce Wright): ; In article <2593@lethe.UUCP>, gerry@lethe.UUCP (Gerry) writes: ;> As memeory serves Digital Research used PL/M to develop CP/Ms and they ;> offered their version on a number of platforms. Later they even came out ;> with PL/1 (subset G) on CP/M machines and PCs. With this background they're ;> certainly worth querying. And also still uses PL/M for significant portions of CDOS-XM and CDOS-386 code. ; DRI is still in business, but they are now into things like GEM and ; Concurrent DOS. They haven't been in the language business for some ; time - I'm not even sure that they will sell you anything; it will ; certainly not have been worked on in several years ... Language products and other "discontinued" items are available for sale from Alexander and Lord. You also go to A&L for ACCESS Manager (B-trees to the washed). A&L, coincidentally, is also in Monterey. ; PL/M is related to PL/I only in some of the low-level syntax. The ; high-level syntax and the semantics are quite different. I'm not ; sure that DRI ever marketed a PL/M compiler, though Gary Kildall did ; write the first Intel PL/M compiler and used the language quite a bit ; in CP/M. ; The PL/I compiler that DRI had for the 8080 and 8086 was a far cry from ; a Subset G PL/I compiler- it was more like Fortran with semicolens and ; structures (RECORDs for you Pascal types). It was also full of ; horrible bugs and only supported the small model. I have had the ; misfortune to have to convert a significant amount of code from real ; Subset G compilers to the DRI PL/I compiler and take my word for it, ; you don't want it if you can possibly avoid it. My misfortun, too. One of my projects when I was with CompuPro was to completely rewrite the CP/M-86 STAT program from PL/M to C. Just 'orrible. I also had to fix the bug of what happens when you run STAT on other than CP/M-86 or MP/M-86. That is when I learned All The Directory FCB Formats From Hell. -- | J.R. (May the Source be With You) Stoner "Dying is easy - | {amdahl,hplabs,decwrl}!pacbell!cpro!asgard Comedy is hard." | asgard@cpro.uucp asgard@well.uucp | asgard@wotan.uucp asgard@fafner.uucp
alexande@drivax.UUCP (Mark Alexander) (05/31/89)
In article <208@guardian.UUCP> guardian!kenner@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Ken Reese) writes: >A company called RTCS made an ISIS emulator that runs under MS-DOS. I missed the original posting so I can't use email. A few years ago I wrote an ISIS emulator for MS-DOS that runs Intel's PL/M-80, ASM-80, LINK-80, etc. There's a version for the NEC V20, which makes use of the 8080 emulation feature in that CPU, and one that runs on any old 8088, 286, 386, etc. The V20 emulator is about as fast as the 386 version. If you would like the source and executable for this program, I'd be happy to mail it out. -- Mark Alexander (amdahl!drivax!alexande)