dhesi%cirrusl@oliveb.ATC.olivetti.com (Rahul Dhesi) (01/04/90)
I have not posted software in comp.binaries.ibm.pc at a very fast rate
in recent months. This is mostly due to a lack of time. In fairness
to the public, I have decided to resign from moderating
comp.binaries.ibm.pc. The position of moderator is therefore open.
However, I haven't resigned yet; I will wait until a new moderator is
ready.
While a new moderator is found, I will clear the current queue. All
pending software will be posted with little or no testing and in the
format in which it arrived. (This could possibly cause occasional
problems during extraction. But one purpose of moderation, i.e. to
keep non-binaries out of the newsgroup, will still be served. This
situation is only temporary for the next few weeks.)
In the meantime, it's best if you don't send me any new software for
posting. I have enough pending for about 4 to 6 weeks, and by then a
new moderator will be coming online.
SELECTION OF NEW MODERATOR
The fairest way of finding a new moderator is for the c.b.i.p community
to vote on the issue. I will get the ball rolling by collecting
resumes, and will then hand over the actual vote to one of the net
heavyweights in this newsgroup. (NOTE: THE VOTE HASN'T BEGUN YET.)
Step 1. The nomination period. If you would like to moderate this
newsgroup, send me your resume by email. Limit: 44 lines (two screens)
or less, each line of no more than 79 characters. The nomination
period closes at the end of January 14, 1990, which allows a week for
news propagation and three days for people to think about it.
Step 2. The discussion period. After the nomination period closes, I
will post all resumes received, and there will be a two-week discussion
period. (Before the nomination period closes, if you want people to
know about you, you may on your own post any information you wish.)
Step 3. The vote. Then the vote will begin. As always, all votes
shall be sent by electronic mail. To avoid delaying the selection too
much, the voting period will be two weeks. (NOTE: THE VOTE HASN'T
BEGUN YET.)
Step 4. The results of the vote will be sent to Gene Spafford, net god
and maintainer of the list of all Usenet moderators, for final action.
This procedure should allow enough time for the vote to be fair.
This article is cross-posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d and
news.groups. Follow-ups are directed to comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d, NOT to
news.groups.
Candidates for moderator should send resumes to me at the address
below.
Rahul Dhesi <dhesi%cirrusl@oliveb.ATC.olivetti.com>
UUCP: oliveb!cirrusl!dhesidavidsen@sixhub.UUCP (Wm E. Davidsen Jr) (01/05/90)
In article <1208@cirrusl.UUCP> dhesi%cirrusl@oliveb.ATC.olivetti.com (Rahul Dhesi) writes: | | The fairest way of finding a new moderator is for the c.b.i.p community | to vote on the issue. I will get the ball rolling by collecting | resumes, and will then hand over the actual vote to one of the net | heavyweights in this newsgroup. (NOTE: THE VOTE HASN'T BEGUN YET.) I took the vote the last time, but I am going to be a candidate this time, so I guess I better not. I came in third the last time, and I wasn't running ;-) | Candidates for moderator should send resumes to me at the address | below. It's in the mail. -- bill davidsen - sysop *IX BBS and Public Access UNIX davidsen@sixhub.uucp ...!uunet!crdgw1!sixhub!davidsen "Getting old is bad, but it beats the hell out of the alternative" -anon
brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) (01/05/90)
I strongly urge against a vote. With one exception, all attempts to vote on moderators have been a mess, not making much sense. Of course, the only one that was a success of any sort was in this group, which will no doubt bias people. But I say, Rahul pick your successor and have done with it. Otherwise prepare for a noisy time in this group! I "vote" for "no vote." -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473
mr@cica.cica.indiana.edu (Michael Regoli) (01/05/90)
brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) writes: >I strongly urge against a vote. With one exception, all attempts to >vote on moderators have been a mess, not making much sense. I agree. The first-runner up, if still available, should be installed as the new moderator. If a new search is to be conducted, however, I feel it important to consider the "connectivity" of the new moderator. I would like to see a moderator on the Internet. This could possibly kill two birds by also allowing the moderator's site to serve as an ftp archive location. -- michael regoli mr@cica.indiana.edu regoli@iubacs.bitnet ...rutgers!iuvax!cica!mr
pdn@attctc.Dallas.TX.US (Paul Nanson) (01/06/90)
In article <72107@looking.on.ca> brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) writes: } }I "vote" for "no vote." }-- }Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473 I would tend to agree. Why not just take resumes and choose your own successor? It would take much less time. -- Paul Nanson ames!attctc!pdn pdn@attctc.dallas.tx.us
packer@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Michael A Packer,Knapp Hall,,2928607) (01/06/90)
From article <10840@attctc.Dallas.TX.US>, by pdn@attctc.Dallas.TX.US (Paul Nanson): > In article <72107@looking.on.ca> brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) writes: > } > }I "vote" for "no vote." > }-- > }Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473 > > I would tend to agree. Why not just take resumes and choose your own > successor? It would take much less time. > -- > Paul Nanson ames!attctc!pdn pdn@attctc.dallas.tx.us I also think this would be a better idea...and it would also tend to speed things up a little too. mike packer USMAIL: 318 Knapp Hall, WVU, Morgantown, WV 26506 PHONE: 304 293-3607 INTERNET : packer@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu USENET: {allegra,bellcore,ihpn4!cadre,decvax!idis,psuvax1}!pitt!wvucsa!packer
mitsolid@csd2.NYU.EDU (Thanasis Mitsolides) (01/06/90)
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> The fairest way of finding a new moderator is for the c.b.i.p community
Is there any reason why we should have ONLY 1 moderator?
Having 2-3 moderators would make the task for each of them lighter.
Also, we would see more postings.
Thanasis
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The responses to my sale were overwhelming!
I would like to say that my ST HAS BEEN SOLD (12 hours after my posting).
Thanks,
Thanasis
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From: lanin@csd2.NYU.EDU (Vladimir Lanin)
Date: 4 Jan 90 20:47 EST
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Subject: Capturing a binary file alive
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I need to capture onto a PC binary files residing on an old
dynasaur of a machine for which neither ?modem or kermit are available.
Thus, I need a PC communication package that will do all the work, i.e.:
1. work from a batch (script) file.
2. terminate a file capture after receiving a user-specfied string.
3. accept 8-bit characters.
4. accept NUL's without interpreting them as padding.
5. accept XON/XOFF's without interpreting them as flow control.
6. send XON/XOFF's for flow control when it can't keep up.
None of the packages I've tried so far (MS-Kermit 2.32A, CarbonCopy,
PolyCom) appear to have ALL these features. Kermit comes very close, but
seems to be capable of providing only one of 5 and 6 at one time.
Does anyone know of a package that has all these features, or have any other
ideas?
Thanks in advance.
Vladimir Lanin
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From: lanin@csd2.NYU.EDU (Vladimir Lanin)
Date: 4 Jan 90 21:38 EST
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Subject: Results of "Run it the background" survey
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I recently asked for responses from people who have used products
that allow one to run ordinary DOS programs in the background.
Unfortunately, only three people responded. Here is a summary
of their reports, organized by product.
Desqview.
All three are currently using this product.
One person has experienced no problems at all,
the other two a little bit more, but do not seem to be
complaining too much. The range of software used is quite
broad, including communications programs, compilers,
word processors.
Overhead seems to be restricted to two sources:
busy-waiting by concurrent programs (which thus unnecessarily
take up the full time slice) and memory management.
Since the memory situation is still far from clear to me,
I can not elucidate on the latter. It appears to depend on both
amount and type of memory (extended/expanded, 286/386).
Overall, the overhead seems to be low, although one person
reported a noticable decrease in speed (~25%) in some programs.
Desqview works in all environments, doing reasonably well even with
an 8088. A 386, however, is a definite advantage. Like I said,
I do not really understand the memory situtation, but it appears that
under the 386, extended memory can be used (almost?) like the
first 640K.
Windows.
Two of the responders had tried this product. Neither is now using it.
The reaction of one was highly negative. The other was more subdued.
Reasons: "SLOW", "gets in the way", "screws around [with stuff it should
leave alone]". However, neither had cited compatibility problems with
software packages as a reason.
I received much less specific info on Windows.
The 386/286 comparison is about the same as for Desqview,
but running on an 8088 is said to be absolutely horrible.
DoubleDos
One responder mentioned seeing (using?) it some number of years ago,
and having a fairly good impression of it.
Vladimir Lanin
lanin@csd2.nyu.edudavidsen@sixhub.UUCP (Wm E. Davidsen Jr) (01/10/90)
In article <24460001@csd2.NYU.EDU> mitsolid@csd2.NYU.EDU (Thanasis Mitsolides) writes: | /* csd2:comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d / dhesi%cirrusl@oliveb.ATC.olivetti.com (Rahul Dhesi) / 12:51 am Jan 4, 1990 */ | > The fairest way of finding a new moderator is for the c.b.i.p community | | | Is there any reason why we should have ONLY 1 moderator? | Having 2-3 moderators would make the task for each of them lighter. | Also, we would see more postings. Ummmm, that's the problem. The volume of binary postings got unreasonably large, so the c.b.i.p group was created to limit the volume. All the other stuff, like archives, etc, quality control, are fringe benefits. Having several people do QA on the postings would be a good idea, but they would more likely be people asked by the moderator to participate. -- bill davidsen - sysop *IX BBS and Public Access UNIX davidsen@sixhub.uucp ...!uunet!crdgw1!sixhub!davidsen "Getting old is bad, but it beats the hell out of the alternative" -anon
oneill@bu-tyng.bu.edu (Brian O'Neill) (01/10/90)
In article <381@sixhub.UUCP> davidsen@sixhub.UUCP (bill davidsen) writes: #In article <1208@cirrusl.UUCP> dhesi%cirrusl@oliveb.ATC.olivetti.com (Rahul Dhesi) writes: #| #| The fairest way of finding a new moderator is for the c.b.i.p community #| to vote on the issue. I will get the ball rolling by collecting #| resumes, and will then hand over the actual vote to one of the net #| heavyweights in this newsgroup. (NOTE: THE VOTE HASN'T BEGUN YET.) # # I took the vote the last time, but I am going to be a candidate this #time, so I guess I better not. I came in third the last time, and I #wasn't running ;-) # If it is decided that there should be a vote, I would be willing to take it. I have a much more reliable account (Internet/UUCP reachable) which would be able to support the vote. I am not submitting myself as moderator this time around, but am willing to support whoever is agreed upon. -- =========================================================================== Brian O'Neill - Boston University Corporate Education Center, Tyngsboro, MA UUCP: {decvax|ulowell}!bu-tyng!oneill Internet: oneill@bu-tyng.bu.edu (508) 649-9731 x14
rgc@raybed2.UUCP (RICK CARLE) (02/01/90)
Does anyone know what has happened to our current (?) moderator, Rahul? I recall that about a month ago he said that he would supervise the election of his successor, close out nominations (I've seen 2 self- nominations in c.b.i.p.d) within 2 weeks, stay on as moderator until his successor was installed, and continue to feed us the untested but annotated & zoo'ed c.b.i.p. backlog. Not only have we heard nothing about nominations, but there has been no cbip activity. I think we should assume Rahul is somehow incapicated and allow someone to elect himself, pending Usenet approval (Spafford?). Didn't someone from Boston U. volunteer last week to do that? Rick Carle
ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury) (02/04/90)
There is a *SERIOUS* problem in comp.binaries.ibm.pc. The official moderator seems to have abandoned it and, while there was a brief flurry (well a few messages) of activity and talk of electing a new moderator, nothing seems to be happening. Since the net.gods tend to ignore c.b.i.p, I have crossed this to news.groups in a feeble attempt to get some of them interested in the plight of this valuable resource. It is often the case that there may be a lot of negotiating and activity behind the scenes, but the it would be nice to get some kind of a status report occasionally. Does anyone out there *know* what has happend to Raul or knows (or has strong opinions) on what to do when a moderator abandons his post? -- Gregory G. Woodbury Sysop/owner Wolves Den UNIX BBS, Durham NC UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...dukeac!wolves!ggw [use the maps!] Domain: ggw@cds.duke.edu ggw@ac.duke.edu ggw%wolves@ac.duke.edu Phone: +1 919 493 1998 (Home) +1 919 684 6126 (Work) [The line eater is a boojum snark! ] <standard disclaimers apply>
peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (02/05/90)
In article <1990Feb4.063927.15980@wolves.uucp> ggw@wolves.UUCP (Gregory G. Woodbury) writes: > Does anyone out there *know* what has happend to Raul or knows (or has > strong opinions) on what to do when a moderator abandons his post? When a moderator abandons his post, the group stands fallow until another sucker is found. The first person to complain on the subject in news.groups is usually volunteered. That's you. Wear it in good health. -- _--_|\ Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.uu.net>. / \ \_.--._/ Xenix Support -- it's not just a job, it's an adventure! v "Have you hugged your wolf today?" `-_-'
davidsen@sixhub.UUCP (Wm E. Davidsen Jr) (02/06/90)
In article <1990Feb4.063927.15980@wolves.uucp> ggw@wolves.UUCP (Gregory G. Woodbury) writes: | It is often the case that there may be a lot of negotiating and | activity behind the scenes, but the it would be nice to get some kind | of a status report occasionally. See my previous posting. We have been trying to do things quietly until everything was in place. | Does anyone out there *know* what has happend to Raul or knows (or has | strong opinions) on what to do when a moderator abandons his post? -- bill davidsen - sysop *IX BBS and Public Access UNIX davidsen@sixhub.uucp ...!uunet!crdgw1!sixhub!davidsen "Getting old is bad, but it beats the hell out of the alternative" -anon
davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.COM (Wm E Davidsen Jr) (02/07/90)
In article <VHJ1BFxds13@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: | When a moderator abandons his post, the group stands fallow until another | sucker is found. The first person to complain on the subject in news.groups | is usually volunteered. That's you. Wear it in good health. Peter, I'll try to explain this again, since I haven't been able to make it clear before: 1. Rahul called for resumes. He got only one (mine) and therefore told me I won. 2. I began preparing to handle the group on sixhub, ordering new disk and getting an alias on a well connected machine. 3. Rahul sent me part of the stuff used to make the postings. He sent me none of the backlog because I wasn't ready. 4. Keith Petersen asked Gene to appoint a new moderator. 5. I asked for clarification from Gene to determine of Rahul had contacted him officially. 6. You have gone ahead and appointed someone else as moderator, based on authority I didn't know you had. Now that that's clear... I will leave the new disk in the box until this is clarified, and will not be accepting any contributions until that time. If anyone other than Rahul who took the resumes and Gene who publishes the list has authority to appoint a new moderator, please state it so we can stop wasting time on this. -- bill davidsen (davidsen@crdos1.crd.GE.COM -or- uunet!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen) "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
oneill@bu-tyng.bu.edu (Brian O'Neill) (02/07/90)
In article <1454@raybed2.UUCP> rgc@raybed2.UUCP (RICK CARLE) writes: >... >should assume Rahul is somehow incapicated and allow someone to >elect himself, pending Usenet approval (Spafford?). Didn't someone >from Boston U. volunteer last week to do that? > Rick Carle I did volunteer some time ago to control the voting process, not to become moderator. I have too much in the coming months to worry about. I am perfectly willing to help out whoever is elected moderator, but cannot assume to position myself, at least until projects are cleared up by the end of this semester... -- =========================================================================== Brian O'Neill - Boston University Corporate Education Center, Tyngsboro, MA UUCP: {decvax|ulowell}!bu-tyng!oneill Internet: oneill@bu-tyng.bu.edu (508) 649-9731 x14
ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi LASK) (02/07/90)
In article <2089@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes: >In article <VHJ1BFxds13@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: >| When a moderator abandons his post, the group stands fallow until another >| sucker is found. The first person to complain on the subject in news.groups >| is usually volunteered. That's you. Wear it in good health. > > Peter, I'll try to explain this again, since I haven't been able to >make it clear before: > 1. Rahul called for resumes. He got only one (mine) and > therefore told me I won. ... items deleted ... > 6. You have gone ahead and appointed someone else as moderator, > based on authority I didn't know you had. > > Now that that's clear... I will leave the new disk in the box until >this is clarified, and will not be accepting any contributions until >that time. If anyone other than Rahul who took the resumes and Gene who >publishes the list has authority to appoint a new moderator, please state >it so we can stop wasting time on this. Please let me but in, in a hope to clarify matters from a netters point of view. (I hope I will not end up by confusing them, instead). We have NOT been aware prior this that we have a new moderator. I for one welcome you heartily. I think that what Peter wrote (even if it is not for me to say), was meant in good humor. I do not think that anyone is contesting the choice (rather the contrary). Another thing (even if neither this is for me to say) is that I do not see any reason for not proceeding with the moderation asap. With all the best wishes to our new moderator. ................................................................... Prof. Timo Salmi (Moderating at anon. ftp site 128.214.12.3) School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun
peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (02/07/90)
I said, in response to someone complaining about the lack of a moderator: >> When a moderator abandons his post, the group stands fallow until another >> sucker is found. The first person to complain on the subject in news.groups >> is usually volunteered. That's you. Wear it in good health. I swear, I'm gonna have to modify Pnews to add "Summary: :->" or something. In article <2089@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) (who has obviously volunteered to do the job) writes: > 6. You have gone ahead and appointed someone else as moderator, > based on authority I didn't know you had. I haven't appointed anyone anything. I was unaware that anyone had actually stepped in to fill the gap (comp.binaries.ibm.pc being somewhere between talk.misc and comp.protocols.kermit on my list of priorities), and was trying to suggest that if the gentleman in question really wanted to do something about the problem he could try volunteering. > Now that that's clear... I will leave the new disk in the box until > this is clarified, and will not be accepting any contributions until > that time. [etcetera] I hope you're kidding. -- _--_|\ Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.uu.net>. / \ \_.--._/ Xenix Support -- it's not just a job, it's an adventure! v "Have you hugged your wolf today?" `-_-'
ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury) (02/07/90)
In article <VHJ1BFxds13@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: >In article <1990Feb4.063927.15980@wolves.uucp> (Gregory G. Woodbury) writes: >> Does anyone out there *know* what has happend to Raul or knows (or has >> strong opinions) on what to do when a moderator abandons his post? > >When a moderator abandons his post, the group stands fallow until another >sucker is found. The first person to complain on the subject in news.groups >is usually volunteered. That's you. Wear it in good health. >-- > _--_|\ Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.uu.net>. >/ \ >\_.--._/ Xenix Support -- it's not just a job, it's an adventure! > v "Have you hugged your wolf today?" `-_-' U Thanks for the offer, but I don't own a DOS machine! I don't use DOS (if I can help it) and (above all) don't have internet connections or archive space available. There are several people who HAVE volunteered, we just need to get the net.gods blessings on how to move one of them into the hot (er. host) seat. BTW.. I did not mean to heavily criticize Raul nor do I really accuse him of "abandonment". It was a poor choice of words. He is extremly busy in his job (aren't we all?) and simply does not have the time. -- Gregory G. Woodbury Sysop/owner Wolves Den UNIX BBS, Durham NC UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...dukeac!wolves!ggw [use the maps!] Domain: ggw@cds.duke.edu ggw@ac.duke.edu ggw%wolves@ac.duke.edu Phone: +1 919 493 1998 (Home) +1 919 684 6126 (Work) [The line eater is a boojum snark! ] <standard disclaimers apply>
w8sdz@smoke.BRL.MIL (Keith Petersen) (02/08/90)
davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes: > 1. Rahul called for resumes. He got only one (mine) and > therefore told me I won. > 2. I began preparing to handle the group on sixhub, ordering new > disk and getting an alias on a well connected machine. > 3. Rahul sent me part of the stuff used to make the postings. He > sent me none of the backlog because I wasn't ready. > 4. Keith Petersen asked Gene to appoint a new moderator. [rest deleted] I did not contact Gene Spafford. I said he should be contacted. After I said that, I continued to try to contact Rahul to find out what was going on. The real problem here is the silence from the people who were involved in the changeover. Why did they feel it was not necessary to let anyone know what was going on, or at least that SOMETHING was happening? Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's CP/M, MSDOS, & MISC archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil, w8sdz@brl.arpa BITNET: w8sdz@NDSUVM1 Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz