fireman@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu (10/09/90)
LOOKING FOR: PD BACKUP PROGRAM WITH COMPRESSION Are there any public domain backup programs which compress the data? I've been unable to find any in the pcsig collection. If no such backup program exists, can someone tell me which backup programs are the best. I'm currently using one that doesn't keep track of which disk number to insert next. Leads to a bit of uncertainty. Finally, one last issue with regards to backup programs. Why do they always start an incremental backup on a new disk? Why can't they use the remaining space on the previous disk first? Thanks in advance, Neil Feiereisel e-mail: fireman@uiuc.edu OR fireman@cs.uiuc.edu
ESR@SLACVM.BITNET (Ed Russell) (10/10/90)
>From: fireman@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu >Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d >Subject: BACKUP PROGRAMS WITH COMPRESSION >Message-ID: <21700009@sunc7> >Date: 8 Oct 90 19:14:00 GMT > > >Neil Feiereisel writes: > > ........... > >If no such backup program exists, can someone tell me which backup programs >are the best. I'm currently using one that doesn't keep track of which >disk number to insert next. Leads to a bit of uncertainty. > >Finally, one last issue with regards to backup programs. Why do they always >start an incremental backup on a new disk? Why can't they use the remaining >space on the previous disk first? > I like PCTOOLS vers 6.0. It is fast, allows a choice of compression schemes, and allows incremental backups to continue on the last disk. There are other backup programs around that will do the same thing but together with the other things packaged in PCTOOLS, it is a great buy.
derek@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl (derek) (10/10/90)
fireman@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu writes: > LOOKING FOR: PD BACKUP PROGRAM WITH COMPRESSION >Are there any public domain backup programs which compress the data? I've >been unable to find any in the pcsig collection. >If no such backup program exists, can someone tell me which backup programs >are the best. I'm currently using one that doesn't keep track of which >disk number to insert next. Leads to a bit of uncertainty. >Finally, one last issue with regards to backup programs. Why do they always >start an incremental backup on a new disk? Why can't they use the remaining >space on the previous disk first? >Thanks in advance, >Neil Feiereisel e-mail: fireman@uiuc.edu OR fireman@cs.uiuc.edu Try ZOOX, an extention of ZOO. It is available on SIMTEL. ALso get the ZOO package. This will solve the second part of the problem - use stuff and pipe to zoo to update an archive. Zoox has a parameter that allows you to specify the maximum size of an archive and prompts (for a new disk) when it reaches that size. Note that there is a wierd bug in Zoox that prevents you from making an archive on a floppy above about 1.2M. This is not serious to get round though. The advantages: You have a normal archive from which files can be extracted one by one, or all at once, as needed. Recovery is normally only needed for one or two files at a time. If anything goes wrong on the floppies - a corrupt track for example - you only loose one or two files at the most. You use freshen to update current archives, and stuff to create new disks. Use stuff and zoox to fill partly-filled disks for small updates. Best Regards, Derek Carr DEREK@DTS.INE.PHILIPS.NL Philips I&E TQV-5 Eindhoven, The Netherlands Standard Disclaimers apply.
derek@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl (derek) (10/10/90)
ESR@SLACVM.BITNET (Ed Russell) writes: >I like PCTOOLS vers 6.0. It is fast, allows a choice of compression schemes, >and allows incremental backups to continue on the last disk. There are >other backup programs around that will do the same thing but together with >the other things packaged in PCTOOLS, it is a great buy. I borrowed a copy of PCTOOLS, installed it on a RAM disk and tried it out. I didn't like it at all. ANd I certainly didn't have enough room to put it on my hard disk. Norton 3.0 and 4dos are a far better (from space/utility) although I admit PCTOOLS does have a few things I like, but not to spend all that and have the disk space used up. Best Regards, Derek Carr DEREK@DTS.INE.PHILIPS.NL Philips I&E TQV-5 Eindhoven, The Netherlands Standard Disclaimers apply.
a563@mindlink.UUCP (Dave Kirsch) (10/10/90)
> derek@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl writes: > > Msg-ID: <613@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl> > Posted: 10 Oct 90 13:08:46 GMT > > Person: derek > > ESR@SLACVM.BITNET (Ed Russell) writes: > >I like PCTOOLS vers 6.0. It is fast, allows a choice of compression > schemes, > >and allows incremental backups to continue on the last disk. There are > >other backup programs around that will do the same thing but together with > >the other things packaged in PCTOOLS, it is a great buy. > > I borrowed a copy of PCTOOLS, installed it on a RAM disk and tried it out. > I didn't like it at all. ANd I certainly didn't have enough room to put it > on my hard disk. Norton 3.0 and 4dos are a far better (from space/utility) > although I admit PCTOOLS does have a few things I like, but not to spend all > that and have the disk space used up. PCTools is even nicer though. All I use from it is COMPRESS, MIRROR and PCBACKUP/PCRESTORE (I can't stand PC-Shell and their Desktop is brain dead). So, only those files exist on my hard drive, I nuked everything else in the PCTools directory with a simple 4DOS command: EXCEPT (COMPRESS.* MIRROR.* PCBACKUP.* PCRESTOR.*) DEL *.* -- -- Dave 'Zoid' Kirsch UUCP: {uunet,ubc-cs}!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a563 Voice: (604) 585-8844 a563@mindlink.UUCP Zoid@cc.sfu.ca Vancouver, British Columbia "In-no-sense? Nonsense!" - The Art Of Noise. -- Disclaimer: "My views are not necessary those of my employer, I think."
nbladt@aut.UUCP (Norbert Bladt) (10/12/90)
fireman@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu writes: > LOOKING FOR: PD BACKUP PROGRAM WITH COMPRESSION >Are there any public domain backup programs which compress the data? I've >been unable to find any in the pcsig collection. I don't know >If no such backup program exists, can someone tell me which backup programs >are the best. [text deleted] >Finally, one last issue with regards to backup programs. Why do they always >start an incremental backup on a new disk? Why can't they use the remaining >space on the previous disk first? I use PC-Tools (5.1 installed, 6.0 lying around waiting for installation). The version 6.0 manauls says that you can use a previously used disk for incremental backup, i.e. you can append incremental backups on floppies. The version 5.1 backup was very fast on my system (12 Mhz 286). It took less time to write data to the floppy than to format it. There was a comparison of backup programs some time ago in a german computer magazine and while PC-tools was not the best in all categories, like speed and compression, it was just a few percents difference between it and the better one (I can't remember which one). But the difference in price was about a factor of 4 or 5 (in germany / switzerland), so I bought PC-Tools 5.1 (for home usage) and upgraded to 6.0, lately. The other backup tools were worse more than just a few percents from these two leading products and costs more than PC-tools. In addition you will get some other tools which I am almost not using. (With DOS and my system I like to use the commandline interface - If I had a 386 or 486 I would use UNIX and X, but that's a totally different topic). >Thanks in advance, Hope it helps, Norbert Bladt. -- Please use this path as return address. DON'T USE THE RETURN PATH IN THE HEADER Norbert Bladt, Ascom Autelca AG, Worbstr. 201, CH-3073 Guemligen, Switzerland Phone: +41 31 52 92 14 EMail: ..!uunet!mcsun!chx400!hslrswi!bladt
greggy@informix.com (greg yachuk) (10/13/90)
derek@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl (derek) writes: >fireman@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu writes: >> LOOKING FOR: PD BACKUP PROGRAM WITH COMPRESSION >>Are there any public domain backup programs which compress the data? I've >>been unable to find any in the pcsig collection. >Try ZOOX, an extention of ZOO. It is available on SIMTEL. ALso get the ZOO >package. This will solve the second part of the problem - use stuff and pipe >to zoo to update an archive. I have written (but not posted) a program called ZOOBACK. It compresses into a ZOO file which can span several floppies. It is based on Zoo, so is not Public Domain. Rahul Dhesi holds the copyright for most of it, but I placed the code which I wrote in the public domain (if I remember correctly). I've been using it for all my backups for about two years now, with no problems. If anyone is interested, send me mail. If enough are interested, I'll post. -greg -- Greg Yachuk Informix Software Inc., Menlo Park, CA 92025 greggy@informix.com | {uunet,pyramid}!infmx!greggy (415) 926-6300 --- I ask my brain for some assistance ... ---
glee@tigris.uucp (Godfrey Lee) (10/13/90)
In article <613@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl> derek@sun4dts.dts.ine.philips.nl (derek) writes: >I borrowed a copy of PCTOOLS, installed it on a RAM disk and tried it out. >I didn't like it at all. ANd I certainly didn't have enough room to put it >on my hard disk. I would buy PCTOOLS Version 6 just for the backup capability. It is fast and versatile. The Desktop is a space waster both in disk space and memory. The DOS shell (PCShell) is okay and I use it, but there are better tools around. The Diskfix utility is also nice for compressing disks. There are also utilities to recover files etc. The PCBackup program is only about 200K disk space. -- Godfrey Lee cognos!alzabo!tigris!glee