w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (Keith Petersen) (11/12/90)
Chuck Forsberg's RZ/SZ (Zmodem) for VAX/VMS is available from SIMTEL20: pd3:<misc.vaxvms> RZSZ.TLB VMS ZMODEM send/rcve prg & doc (Text LIB file) Please note that this file should be transferred in binary mode. See your VMS help for how to deal with "Text Library" files. It's a compressed archive containing the docs and already compiled executables for VMS RZ and SZ. I have tested it on a VMS host I have access to and it does work. It knows how to transfer binary files in the correct format too. Best of all, it's faster than Kermit. Please pass this information along to anyone else who might be interested. It should make life a lot easier for PC users of VMS systems. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND
mlord@bwdls58.bnr.ca (Mark Lord) (11/13/90)
In article <KPETERSEN.12637223786.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (Keith Petersen) writes: >Chuck Forsberg's RZ/SZ (Zmodem) for VAX/VMS is available from >SIMTEL20: >pd3:<misc.vaxvms> >RZSZ.TLB VMS ZMODEM send/rcve prg & doc (Text LIB file) Good news. Keith, what release is this file? I received the 0411 release with my DSZ registration, but it turned out to contain a major bug or two. Chuck says this has been fixed in all releases later than may/90, but I cannot find any such releases of RZSZ.. The copy on wuarchive is fairly ancient, and I have yet to browse simtel. -- ___Mark S. Lord__________________________________________ | ..uunet!bnrgate!mlord%bmerh724 | Climb Free Or Die (NH) | | MLORD@BNR.CA Ottawa, Ontario | Personal views only. | |________________________________|________________________|
w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen) (11/14/90)
In article <4864@bwdls58.UUCP> mlord@bwdls58.bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes: >>pd3:<misc.vaxvms> >>RZSZ.TLB VMS ZMODEM send/rcve prg & doc (Text LIB file) > >Good news. Keith, what release is this file? I received the 0411 >release with my DSZ registration, but it turned out to contain a >major bug or two. Chuck says this has been fixed in all releases >later than may/90, but I cannot find any such releases of RZSZ.. The sign-on banners of the executables display these messages: rz 4.05 9-12-90 for VMS Copyright Omen Technology INC sz 4.21 09-10-90 for VMS Copyright Omen Technology INC RZSZ.TLB was obtained from Chuck Forsberg. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND
wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) (11/14/90)
I use rz/sz to and from a pc-sun link, and they are great..seem twice as fast as kermit. But how do I use these between two unix systems over a phone line?
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Is anyone else having problems extracting the files out of RZSZ.TLB? The
LIBRARY utility on my system is telling me that the file is not a proper format.
Can someone please help? Thanks.
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In article <16603@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu.UUCP (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: >I use rz/sz to and from a pc-sun link, and they are great..seem >twice as fast as kermit. But how do I use these between two >unix systems over a phone line? From tsfaq13.arc (soon to be released). (It shouldn't be overly different between two Unixes). 29. ***** Q: How to make z-modem transfer between a Unix mainframe and my PC? A: You naturally need the z-modem programs both for your Unix host and your PC. If you don't have them, they can be found in the /pc/pd2 and /unix/ts directories at uwasa.fi archives. The /unix/ts/0dir-u file explains how to unpack the Unix facilities. Unpacking the PC facilities is standard knowledge, so no more about that. To the the transfers going at the PC end of things you'll find useful the information that is contained in /pc/pd2/zdoc0108.zip, /pc/ts/tskerm24.arc (zset.cmd in particular), and also /pc/ts/tspfon29.arc (pcpqa.txt in there). These latter two packages concern primarily MsKermit and Procomm, but the z-modem ideas in them are general. At the Unix end of things you invoke a binary transfer using sz -bey YourFile rz -bey and an ascii transfer by using sz -aey YourFile rz -aey Note that I have experimented with this only on a BSD Unix Sun 4.
rstanton@portia.Stanford.EDU (Richard Stanton) (11/15/90)
In article <11439.274147cd@ecs.umass.edu> ssircar@ecs.umass.edu (Good writers re-write -- not write!) writes: >Is anyone else having problems extracting the files out of RZSZ.TLB? The >LIBRARY utility on my system is telling me that the file is not a proper format. >Can someone please help? Thanks. First, make sure you get the file in TENEX mode. I did that, and still found it rather a pain, never having used the LIBRARY command before. I was able to list the file using (I think) the /LIST option, and noticed that the archive contains a file called EXTRACT... I then just extracted EXTRACT* (note that none of the file names seem to have extensions as far as LIBRARY is concerned), and got a COM file that when run extracted the rest of the files in the correct format. Richard Stanton pstanton@gsb-lira.stanford.edu
roelofs@nas.nasa.gov (Cave Newt) (11/17/90)
wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu.UUCP (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: >>I use rz/sz to and from a pc-sun link, and they are great..seem >>twice as fast as kermit. But how do I use these between two >>unix systems over a phone line? You don't. ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: >From tsfaq13.arc (soon to be released). (It shouldn't be overly >different between two Unixes). > [about PC-to-Unix communications] Unfortunately, it IS different between two Unixes, or a Unix and a VMS, or what have you. The reason is that rz/sz, like most mainframe comm protocols, send data by writing it to the screen and receive it by read- ing from the "keyboard" (i.e., stdin). It is the PC end of things which controls the phone line and either "types" the data out the phone line or intercepts it before it gets to your screen (depending on whether you're uploading or downloading, respectively). The mainframe packages have no way to associate themselves with a communications port, much less dial out and deal with the initial connections, logging in, and other stuff. But don't take MY word for it...from Forsberg's rz documentation (version 3.03 / 25 May 1989, but still applicable, presumably; the sz documentation has the same disclaimer): Rz is not intended be called from cu(1), or other communica- tions programs. Unix flavors of Omen Technology's Professional-YAM communications software are available for dial-out applications. [Quoted without permission...bwah ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!] Of course, since the source is available (at least for the older version), you could always write your own comm-port module and interface it with the zmodem download source. Not easy, mind you, but it could be done... Greg
wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) (11/18/90)
I got the suggestion to start a connection by running kermit on local machine to phone remote, starting sz on remote unix box, and then "escaping" local kermit and starting rx with /dev/tty? attached as stdin/stdout. This did not work with the C-kermit I have on my suns. I got timeout error messages on console, and looking at modem lights show that data is not moving. Clarence Wilkerson
mussar@bcars53.uucp (G. Mussar) (11/19/90)
In article <1990Nov17.062459.9537@nas.nasa.gov> roelofs@amelia.nas.nasa.gov writes: >wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu.UUCP (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: >or what have you. The reason is that rz/sz, like most mainframe comm >protocols, send data by writing it to the screen and receive it by read- >ing from the "keyboard" (i.e., stdin). It is the PC end of things which >controls the phone line and either "types" the data out the phone line >or intercepts it before it gets to your screen (depending on whether >you're uploading or downloading, respectively). The mainframe packages >have no way to associate themselves with a communications port, much less >dial out and deal with the initial connections, logging in, and other >stuff. > >But don't take MY word for it...from Forsberg's rz documentation (version >3.03 / 25 May 1989, but still applicable, presumably; the sz documentation >has the same disclaimer): > > Rz is not intended be called from cu(1), or other communica- > tions programs. Unix flavors of Omen Technology's > Professional-YAM communications software are available for > dial-out applications. Yes, I know Chuck Forsberg said rz/sz are not intended to be called from cu(1) or other comm packages, but, I regularly call rz/sz from tip and it works fine. I'm sure he would be much happier if you bough his Pro-YAMM package to do the same thing... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mussar |Bitnet: mussar@bnr.ca | Phone: (613) 763-4937 BNR Ltd. | UUCP: ..uunet!bnrgate!bcars53!mussar | FAX: (613) 763-2626
doug@fryeten.uucp (11/20/90)
In article <1990Nov17.062459.9537@nas.nasa.gov>, roelofs@nas.nasa.gov (Cave Newt) writes: > wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu.UUCP (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: > >>>I use rz/sz to and from a pc-sun link, and they are great..seem >>>twice as fast as kermit. But how do I use these between two >>>unix systems over a phone line? > > You don't. > > > ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > >>From tsfaq13.arc (soon to be released). (It shouldn't be overly >>different between two Unixes). >> [about PC-to-Unix communications] > > Unfortunately, it IS different between two Unixes, or a Unix and a VMS, > or what have you. The reason is that rz/sz, like most mainframe comm > protocols, send data by writing it to the screen and receive it by read- > ing from the "keyboard" (i.e., stdin). It is the PC end of things which > controls the phone line and either "types" the data out the phone line > or intercepts it before it gets to your screen (depending on whether > you're uploading or downloading, respectively). The mainframe packages > have no way to associate themselves with a communications port, much less > dial out and deal with the initial connections, logging in, and other > stuff. On the contrary VMS has a way to do it through the use of the logical name TT: and through switching between SET HOST/DTE and RZ or SZ. I have a DCL program which handles this as perfectly and as transparently as Kermit and other integrated communication programs. My guess is that you can do the same thing with Unix with a shell program and the use of redirection, although I have very little experience with unix so I can't speak from experience. > But don't take MY word for it...from Forsberg's rz documentation (version > 3.03 / 25 May 1989, but still applicable, presumably; the sz documentation > has the same disclaimer): > > Rz is not intended be called from cu(1), or other communica- > tions programs. Unix flavors of Omen Technology's > Professional-YAM communications software are available for > dial-out applications. > > [Quoted without permission...bwah ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!] > Read the above very carefully. All he said was that RZ is not "INTENDED" to be called from cu(1), or other communication programs. He didn't say that it couldn't be accomplished. On the other hand I did email him directly some months ago and at that time he indicated to me that it couldn't be done. A little while later I found a DCL program on a bulletin board that proved him wrong. I know this isn't much help to the original question about it's use under Unix but it may be a hint to trying something in combination with the shell language, an existing simple terminal communication program (perhaps cu), and RZ and SZ. By the way if anybody wants a copy of the DCL program to look at and modify for your own purposes, I would be happy to email it to you. Of course this would probable be of more interest to comp.os.vms since DCL is a part of VMS. _______________ *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* | _________ | | Doug White | Email | | | _______| | | Frye Electronics,Inc.| doug@fryeten.UUCP | | | |_______ | | Tigard, OR | or | | | _______| | | Voice: 503 620 2722 | ...!percy!fryepro!fryeten!doug | | | |__________| | Fax: 503 639 0128 | | |__| *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
j-towns@uiuc.edu (John Towns) (11/21/90)
In article <KPETERSEN.12637223786.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>, w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (Keith Petersen) writes: > Chuck Forsberg's RZ/SZ (Zmodem) for VAX/VMS is available from > SIMTEL20: > > pd3:<misc.vaxvms> > RZSZ.TLB VMS ZMODEM send/rcve prg & doc (Text LIB file) > > Please note that this file should be transferred in binary mode. > See your VMS help for how to deal with "Text Library" files. It's > a compressed archive containing the docs and already compiled > executables for VMS RZ and SZ. I have tested it on a VMS host I have > access to and it does work. It knows how to transfer binary files in > the correct format too. Best of all, it's faster than Kermit. > > Please pass this information along to anyone else who might be > interested. It should make life a lot easier for PC users of VMS > systems. > > Keith > -- > Keith Petersen > Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] > Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu > Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND Can anyone tell me where to locate something like this for a UNIX system??? I have something that is quite old and only the SZ portion works.. It wold be nice to have something newer and an RZ that works... John Towns j-towns@uiuc.edu --
goes@vx.acs.umn.edu (12/04/90)
In article <13.2747e8d5@fryeten.uucp>, doug@fryeten.uucp writes... >TT: and through switching between SET HOST/DTE and RZ or SZ. I have a DCL >program which handles this as perfectly and as transparently as Kermit and >By the way if anybody wants a copy of the DCL program to look at and modify >for your own purposes, I would be happy to email it to you. Of course this Doug, could you ship me a copy of this. Sorry for posting (forgive the bandwidth) but we can't reply to UUCP. Thanks. _______________________________________________________________________________ Jim Goes |BITNET: GOES@UMNACVX or JGOES@UMINN1 Health Services Administration |InterNet: GOES@VX.ACS.UMN.EDU School of Public Health |UUCP: {fav backbone}!uxacs!vxacs!goes University of Minnesota |MaBell: (612) 624-3118 ________________________________________________________________________________ QuayleWatch Quote of the Week: "Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our family" (recent address to members of the Hudson Institute)