kjh@aludra.usc.edu (Kenneth J. Hendrickson) (10/20/90)
I fixed some bugs in Elvis 1.3 a couple of months ago, and sent the stuff in to be posted (binaries only, because the sources, including my fixes, are available in alt.sources). I just got a message that it will be coming out soon. I have found another bug in Elvis, but I haven't fixed it yet. :-( If you are in input mode, and have autoindent turned on, and type the following sequence of keys, your machine will hang: [RETURN] [CTRL-D] [ESC] I'm not sure about the exact sequence of keys, but I remember it involves backing up over auto-indenting, and then returning to command mode with [ESC]. It might be the [BACKSPACE] key instead of [CTRL-D]. Thanks Steve for a great editor, and for everybody else, I'll probably get around to fixing this bug at Christmas-time when I get a break from classes. If somebody else has fixed it, please let me know! Thanks.
ornstein@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Jason Ornstein) (11/10/90)
Ok, was just wondering since there was no documentation with this
program, elvis, how do you set up the temp file. Every time I run
this it dies saying it can't find the temp file....help...
Also, was wondering if anyone can help with another question, hope its
not a frequently asked on...but if I get a file and it has a .tar
ending and I don't have access to a tape drive does this mean that I
can't use it? This would be on a unix machine so this might be the
wrong place to ask..
Hope to hear from you soon with the answers :->
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.............O/ O I am still. Still I am. -- RIDE THE WIND! w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen) (11/10/90)
ornstein@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Jason Ornstein) writes: >Ok, was just wondering since there was no documentation with this >program, elvis, how do you set up the temp file. Every time I run >this it dies saying it can't find the temp file....help... This is exactly why you won't see this version of Elvis archived at SIMTEL20. We do not accept programs which have no documentation and information on who the author is so we can contact the author in case of problems or questions. Many programs being distributed without documentation turn out to be copyrighted and/or not freely distributable. Check the COM and EXE files with a binary dump or editor program. 90% of the files I've seen on BBSs which have no documentation are pirated or of suspicious origin (read that as possible trojans). Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND
ccastdf@prism.gatech.EDU (Dave) (11/10/90)
w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen) writes: >ornstein@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Jason Ornstein) writes: >>Ok, was just wondering since there was no documentation with this >>program, elvis, how do you set up the temp file. Every time I run >>this it dies saying it can't find the temp file....help... To set up a temp directory, the shell variable TEMP must be set, and the drive it needs must be created. i.e. the following line must be in your autoexec.bat file: set TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP Other than that, it works great!!! Dave -- David Frascone Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!ccastdf Internet: ccastdf@prism.gatech.edu
rusbara2@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) (11/10/90)
In article <3763@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen) writes: [someone's question and remarks on Elvis's lack of docs deleted] >This is exactly why you won't see this version of Elvis archived at >SIMTEL20. We do not accept programs which have no documentation and >information on who the author is so we can contact the author in case >of problems or questions. Elvis (in source form) was recently posted to alt.sources by the author. There was quite a lot of discussion in alt.sources and alt.sources.d after that, bug reports, etc., and a bug fix for the MS-DOS version was put out (for one thing, renaming a file left lost clusters). There WERE docs with this version. >Many programs being distributed without documentation turn out to be >copyrighted and/or not freely distributable. Check the COM and EXE >files with a binary dump or editor program. 90% of the files I've >seen on BBSs which have no documentation are pirated or of suspicious >origin (read that as possible trojans). This is not the case with Elvis. I compiled it myself when it was released to alt.sources (it might have been comp.sources, but I'm 99% sure it was alt). Also, gnu has taken it in from what I can tell. Bill mentioned that the source was available; I believe you can get it from most/all of the gnu sites and from any alt.sources archive site, and the docs should be there too. Sorry to viciously flame away at you like this ;-), but I just though I'd help to clear up a few things since your comments seemed to be directed specifically at Elvis. They of course are true in general, and, for that matter, for all we know this particular compilation of Elvis is just chock full of viruses, Trojan horses, and every other terrible thing you could imagine -- but that's the same with any program posted here, and Bill tests them as well as he can I'm sure so it's as safe as you can hope to get when using freely distributed software. Even commercial software gets hit now and then, so if you use ANY software you aren't completely safe (unless you write it all yourself). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Bob Rusbasan | This space unintentionally left blank. | | bob@en.ecn.purdue.edu | | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
hagins@gamecock.rtp.dg.com (Jody Hagins) (11/11/90)
In article <3763@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen) writes: |> ornstein@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Jason Ornstein) writes: |> >Ok, was just wondering since there was no documentation with this |> >program, elvis, how do you set up the temp file. Every time I run |> >this it dies saying it can't find the temp file....help... You have to have a dir for elvis to store its tmp files. The default is /usr/tmp (\usr\tmp for DOS). I have the sources. I got them from alt.sources a while ago, and in the shar files is a man page. I think I'll shar it (>80K) and post it here. |> |> This is exactly why you won't see this version of Elvis archived at |> SIMTEL20. We do not accept programs which have no documentation and |> information on who the author is so we can contact the author in case |> of problems or questions. Not sure who posted the binaries, but the author (of the sources I got from alt.sources is: Steve Kirkendall kirkenda@jove.cs.pdx.edu, or ...uunet!tektronix!psueea!jove!kirkenda I guess you could contact him to see if he was the one who posted the binaries, and why the docs didn't make it. |> Many programs being distributed without documentation turn out to be |> copyrighted and/or not freely distributable. Check the COM and EXE |> files with a binary dump or editor program. 90% of the files I've |> seen on BBSs which have no documentation are pirated or of suspicious |> origin (read that as possible trojans). I have been using the program I compiled with the sources I got. Seems to work GREAT. Can't speak for the binaries, unless they come from Steve. |> |> Keith |> -- |> Keith Petersen |> Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] |> Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu |> Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND |> Jody Hagins hagins@gamecock.rtp.dg.com
w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen) (11/11/90)
rusbara2@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes: >Elvis (in source form) was recently posted to alt.sources by the author. >There was quite a lot of discussion in alt.sources and alt.sources.d >after that, bug reports, etc., and a bug fix for the MS-DOS version >was put out (for one thing, renaming a file left lost clusters). Bob, I did not mean to imply that your posting was suspect. It is not. The bottom line is: I'm tired of seeing postings to comp.binaries.ibm.pc which contain only binaries. Someone who looks at these archives months later has no idea where these files originated and who to contact when there is a question or problem. I think Bill should reject all such postings, even when they originate from known trusted sources. There is no excuse for authors not to include *some* documentation. It should not be necessary to run the program to find out what it's for and what the commands are. >There WERE docs with this version. What happened to them, Bill? See alt.sources is NO answer. Many people do not have access to that newsgroup. The programs posted here should be complete. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND
teexdwu@ioe.lon.ac.uk (DOMINIK WUJASTYK) (11/11/90)
In article <29500@boulder.Colorado.EDU> ornstein@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Jason Ornstein) writes: >Ok, was just wondering since there was no documentation with this >program, elvis, how do you set up the temp file. Every time I run >this it dies saying it can't find the temp file....help... Create the directory c:\tmp and all will be well. How do I know? I looked through the binary file elvis.exe with list.com until I found a reference to this directory. The Unix "strings" program --or one that does the same job would help with this sort of job too. Dominik [No private correspondence please.]
davidsen@sixhub.UUCP (Wm E. Davidsen Jr) (11/13/90)
In article <3763@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen) writes: | This is exactly why you won't see this version of Elvis archived at | SIMTEL20. We do not accept programs which have no documentation and | information on who the author is so we can contact the author in case | of problems or questions. | | Many programs being distributed without documentation turn out to be | copyrighted and/or not freely distributable. I *believe* the source to elvis was posted some time ago, and I noted that the documentation is unix docs. They are copyright, so I can't post them. I honestly can't imagine anyone useig a vi clone unless they had learned it while young and impressionable. That was a *joke*, send no hate mail. -- bill davidsen - davidsen@sixhub.uucp (uunet!crdgw1!sixhub!davidsen) sysop *IX BBS and Public Access UNIX moderator of comp.binaries.ibm.pc and 80386 mailing list "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
davidsen@sixhub.UUCP (Wm E. Davidsen Jr) (11/13/90)
In article <3781@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen) writes: | What happened to them, Bill? See alt.sources is NO answer. Many | people do not have access to that newsgroup. The programs posted here | should be complete. You saw what I got. I post what I think will be useful or interesting, and with the PC editors available, I believe that the people who want to use a vi clone are people who already know how to use it. I don't have time or disk space to archive the sources I want for my own use, due to the volume of binaries. For Christmas I'm hoping to get myslef a bigger disk just for this group. Usenet moderators don't get paid for their work, unlike Compu$erve or simtel20. -- bill davidsen - davidsen@sixhub.uucp (uunet!crdgw1!sixhub!davidsen) sysop *IX BBS and Public Access UNIX moderator of comp.binaries.ibm.pc and 80386 mailing list "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
mw@tnoibbc.UUCP (Marcel de waard) (11/13/90)
I have a problem with the recently posted vi clone for the PC Elvis.
Everything seems to go alright. It unzoos very nicely, but then when
I want to run Elvis it simply says: "Unable to create temporary file
Errno = 2". Does anybody know how this problem can be helped, because
I would really like to try this editor.
Thanks in advance
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: the Netherlands VOICE : +31 15 842044pa1@tdatirv.UUCP (Pat Alvarado) (11/13/90)
In article <29500@boulder.Colorado.EDU> ornstein@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Jason Ornstein) writes: >Ok, was just wondering since there was no documentation with this >program, elvis, how do you set up the temp file. Every time I run >this it dies saying it can't find the temp file....help... > Similar to Unix filesystems Elvis appears to be looking for a /tmp directory, so for MSDOS do: md \tmp and the problem goes away. >Also, was wondering if anyone can help with another question, hope its >not a frequently asked on...but if I get a file and it has a .tar >ending and I don't have access to a tape drive does this mean that I >can't use it? This would be on a unix machine so this might be the >wrong place to ask.. On a Unix system, the tar program can extract from a file. The tape drive is just considered another file to Unix (e.g. /dev/rt0). Anyway, to look at the contents use: tar tf <filename> The 't' says "table of contents", 'f' says use the following argument as the tar file. To actually extract the files from the tar file: tar xvf <filename> The 'x' says extract, 'v' says verbose (displays the filename of each file being extracted). -- ||| Pat Alvarado | v Teradata Corporation | tdat!pa1@suntzu.sun.com /\ /\ 100 N. Sepulveda Blvd. | uunet!edsews!hacgate!tdat!pa1 /// \\\ El Segundo, Calif. 90245 | pa1@tdat.teradata.com
rusbara2@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) (11/15/90)
In article <2278@sixhub.UUCP> davidsen@sixhub.UUCP (bill davidsen) writes: > I *believe* the source to elvis was posted some time ago, and I noted >that the documentation is unix docs. They are copyright, so I can't post >them. prep.ai.mit.edu has the complete elvis package, so if you can ftp you can get it from there. The docs are *not* unix docs are far as I can tell. The "elvis.man" file is specifically about elvis, and it talks about the MS-DOS port, difference between elvis and the "real" vi, etc. Since the Gnu people have put it in the /pub/gnu directory, I assume they'd take out any copyrighted stuff. For those who don't have ftp, how about the docs and source being posted? That is, after all, what this group is for (OK, OK, so they're not *binaries* -- do you want to strip out every ascii file in every package?). There seems to be quite a bit of interest in this. Someone posted the docs to the discussion group, and people have said that that won't be archived for obvious reasons. Well, then let's have both the docs and source posted to the "real" group because they SHOULD be archived and it would just be silly to hold them back because of anger at the "illegal" post to the discussion group. There have been to many posts from people who have it and need the docs to use it better (how do you do this? what does this mean? why is it giving me this error?). Someone posted that the binary seems to be writing to the system area. Obviously, that will concern a lot of people. By examing the source someone can find out what it's doing? (Someone who's computer is, unlike mine, still working.) To sum it all up, there is every reason to have an official post of the docs and source of Elvis, and only a possible grudge to not have it. Everyone's always asking for a freeware vi, and I'd have to say it's a tossup between Elvis and Jstevie (if you have a fast computer, I'd have to give the nod to Elvis. Jstevie's main virtue, and fault, is that it only uses free memory to store the file being edited). There has been a tremendous amount of interest in this, so let's not let one "illegal" post stop the right thing from being done. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Bob Rusbasan | This space unintentionally left blank. | | bob@en.ecn.purdue.edu | | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
coop4y44@bwdla28.bnr.ca (Takis Skagos) (04/19/91)
Hi. I was wondering if there were supposed to be doc's with Elvis. Could someone tell me where I can find them. Thanks! Taki -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BNR Ottawa Disclaimer: "I swear, they made me do it!" P. Takis Skagos -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-