todd@pinhead.pegasus.com (Todd Ogasawara) (06/29/91)
Has there ever been any discussion about creating a comp.binaries.ibm.pc.windows news group? My guess is that with three major new low-cost development platforms out (Borland C++, Turbo Pascal for Windows, and Microsoft Visual BASIC), we are going to see a lot of software for Windows flowing out into the shareware market and public domain. We might even want to have a comp.binaries.ibm.pc.windows.vbasic group. I just got my copy of Visual BASIC and was amazed to see how small the EXE files sizes are (ok, ok, I know you need that 270K VBRUN100.DLL file around too, but you only need one of those for all your Visual BASIC EXE files). You can write some pretty impressive stuff with EXE files sizes of between 5K and 20K. And, please, no religious wars about whether or not Visual BASIC will cause a pletora of cr*ppy software to emerge in the Windows shareware market. I have both Borland C++ and Visual BASIC. Borland C++ gives me power tools. Visual BASIC gives me "play" tools. It makes programming fun again. And those small Visual BASIC EXE files would be easy to send out as uuencoded files. If there is enough interest, I will be glad to put out the Request for Votes for one or both groups and report the results. We, would, of course, still need to find volunteer moderators for the group(s). So, how do you feel about creating comp.binaries.ibm.pc.windows and/or comp.binaries.ibm.pc.windows.vbasic -- Todd Ogasawara ::: Hawaii Medical Service Association Internet ::: todd@pinhead.pegasus.com Telephone ::: (808) 536-9162 ext. 7
hz241pi@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Andreas Pietras) (06/29/91)
In <1991Jun28.224447.1228@pinhead.pegasus.com> todd@pinhead.pegasus.com (Todd Ogasawara) writes: >Has there ever been any discussion about creating a >comp.binaries.ibm.pc.windows news group? >If there is enough interest, I will be glad to put out the Request for >Votes for one or both groups and report the results. We, would, of >course, still need to find volunteer moderators for the group(s). >So, how do you feel about creating > comp.binaries.ibm.pc.windows >and/or > comp.binaries.ibm.pc.windows.vbasic >-- >Todd Ogasawara ::: Hawaii Medical Service Association >Internet ::: todd@pinhead.pegasus.com >Telephone ::: (808) 536-9162 ext. 7 I think it's a great Idea, and I'm very interestet. Ciao Piet -- AAM MPPPP | Andreas M. Pietras | A AM MP P | Waldstr. 131 | Ein Volk, AAAAM M M MPPPP | 4100 Duisburg 1 | ein Koenig, A A M M P | Tel. 49-(0)203-37 16 10 | besser is das ! A M M M | hz241pi@duc220.uni-duisburg.de | ( Werner ) A A P | |
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) (06/30/91)
In article <1991Jun28.224447.1228@pinhead.pegasus.com> todd@pinhead.pegasus.com (Todd Ogasawara) writes: >EXE files sizes are (ok, ok, I know you need that 270K VBRUN100.DLL file >around too, but you only need one of those for all your Visual BASIC EXE Minor, somewhat unrelated question: Can VBRUN100.DLL be distributed freely, or do you have to buy Visual BASIC to get it? If the latter, I don't think you'll see many freeware utilities written in Visual BASIC -- because few people will want to go out and buy Visual BASIC just to run a few utilities. -- Marc Unangst | mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us | "Bus error: passengers dumped" ...!hela!mudos!mju |
chanel@mensa.usc.edu (chanel summers) (06/30/91)
In article <1991Jun29.220040.1064@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes: >Minor, somewhat unrelated question: Can VBRUN100.DLL be distributed freely, >or do you have to buy Visual BASIC to get it? If the latter, I don't >think you'll see many freeware utilities written in Visual BASIC -- because >few people will want to go out and buy Visual BASIC just to run a few >utilities. VBRUN100.DLL is freely distributable and has been making the rounds on the BBS circuit for a few weeks now. It's available on cica.cica.indiana.edu and on the MSLANG Forum on CompuServe (and probably on GEnie as well). Chanel
todd@pinhead.pegasus.com (Todd Ogasawara) (07/01/91)
In article <1991Jun29.220040.1064@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes: >In article <1991Jun28.224447.1228@pinhead.pegasus.com> todd@pinhead.pegasus.com (Todd Ogasawara) writes: ]>EXE files sizes are (ok, ok, I know you need that 270K VBRUN100.DLL file ]>around too, but you only need one of those for all your Visual BASIC EXE ]Minor, somewhat unrelated question: Can VBRUN100.DLL be distributed freely, ]or do you have to buy Visual BASIC to get it? If the latter, I don't ]think you'll see many freeware utilities written in Visual BASIC -- because ]few people will want to go out and buy Visual BASIC just to run a few ]utilities. Page 76 of the Microsoft Visual BASIC Programmer's Guide says: "To run your application under Microsoft Windows or Presentation Manager outside Visual BASIC, you create an executable file. If you distribute the file to others, they will need a copy of the Visual BASIC run-time file (VBRUN100.DLL) that is in the VB directory. No additional license or payment to Microsoft is necessary to distribute copies of the run-time file." So, to answer your question: Yes, you can distribute VBRUN100.DLL freely according to my interpretation of the paragraph above issued by Microsoft. If we have create a comp.binaries.windows.ms and/or comp.binaries.windows.ms.vbasic, we could perhaps distribute VBRUN100.DLL on some periodic basis (once every 60 days or so) to make sure anyone can get it easily. -- Todd Ogasawara ::: Hawaii Medical Service Association Internet ::: todd@pinhead.pegasus.com Telephone ::: (808) 536-9162 ext. 7
dwj@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Daniel W. James) (07/01/91)
todd@pinhead.pegasus.com (Todd Ogasawara) writes: > >Has there ever been any discussion about creating a >comp.binaries.ibm.pc.windows news group? My guess is that with three >major new low-cost development platforms out (Borland C++, Turbo Pascal >for Windows, and Microsoft Visual BASIC), we are going to see a lot of >software for Windows flowing out into the shareware market and public >domain. > >So, how do you feel about creating > > comp.binaries.ibm.pc.windows >and/or > comp.binaries.ibm.pc.windows.vbasic > I for one am very interested in creating a .windows newsgroup. I don't, however, feel the need at this point for separate newsgroups relating to the source files. We would then have .windows.tpascal; .windows.c++; .windows.vbasic; .windows.smalltalkV; etc, etc... Perhaps at some point, the level of traffic will justify more newsgroups. -- _________________________________________________________________________ No choice, look what we've become, | dwj@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US world peace at the point of a gun...| ames!pacbell!sactoh0!dwj -- Level 42 | ucbvax!csusac!sactoh0!dwj