pearsonm@agnes.acc.stolaf.edu (Matthew E Pearson) (01/16/90)
I agree with you. I was at the concert and he told everyone to get back
when he threw it. I was about 8 people back from the stage! He was just ticked off he didn't want to hit anyone. He threw it at the ground (at least that is how it seemed to me.) And some bimbo got in the way so he got pissed and tried to beat the guy up.
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In article <8571@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> sueb@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (suzanne.bollinger,al,) writes: >>place and by not being there when trouble started to happen. Bach should be >>commended for taking care of himself without caring about popularity and critics > >Thank you, thank you, thank you. I couldn't agree with you more. Everyone is >acting like Sebastian purposely threw the bottle at the girl he hit. If you ^^^^^^^^^ yes, he purposely threw the bottle. >I am glad that most of the fans are on Sebastians side and understand his >actions. I just hope he is cleared of all charges. (I know I'm going to >get a lot of slack for that comment). > >SuzAnne I really can't believe that people should be 'commended' for condoning and encouraging violence. Yes, he did get hit with a bottle, but there were a hell of a lot of better ways to deal with it. The person who originally threw the bottle was not a role model to the thousands of people who were at the concert. Probably none of these 'fans' thought that he/she should be commended for it. Does this mean that just because Sebastian was in a position of power, the rules should be different for him? Does this mean that our society condones violence as a form of revenge? The girl hit with the bottle was not the only innocent victim. Every other person at the concert who had to watch the senseless violence and retribution was also a victim in my opinion.
sl201009@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Rob Francis) (01/17/90)
You're right. How can you support a paid professional, for only increasing the amount of violence? Bach acted way out of line, as did the person that threw the bottle. Sure he was pissed off, but when I'm pissed off at a crowd of people, I don't throw solid objects at them! For year, rock and roll (if you can call Skid Row that) stars have had thrown at them while performing. It comes w/the territory. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Rob Francis But I came here for = = francisr@rose.ucs.indiana.edu an *argument*... = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==
ajk@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Jeff Boerio) (01/17/90)
In article <8571@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> sueb@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (suzanne.bollinger) writes: >I am glad that most of the fans are on Sebastians side and understand his >actions. I just hope he is cleared of all charges. (I know I'm going to >get a lot of slack for that comment). I understand his actions as well. So do some of my friends (including some who are in a band). I used to be in a band, and while not everyone liked the music we played, the only thing I ever demanded from anyone was respect for what I was doing. I think that's the same with Sebastian, and any other band. If you don't like it, fine .... but give them a little respect for doing something that they want to do. Sure ... he was wrong for throwing the bottle back. It's very unfortunate that the girl was in the middle of it. While I don't know what the exact charges are against Sebastian, I think he'll get away with a very light sentence, if anything. - Jeff -- Jeff Boerio : Purdue University Dept. of Computer Science ajk@mace.cc.purdue.edu : Purdue University Computing Center Volunteer boerio@orchestra.ecn.purdue.edu : Purdue University ECN Student Programmer
ajk@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Jeff Boerio) (01/17/90)
In article <33191@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> sl201009@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Rob Francis) writes: >You're right. How can you support a paid professional, for only >increasing the amount of violence? Bach acted way out of line, as did >the person that threw the bottle. Sure he was pissed off, but when >I'm pissed off at a crowd of people, I don't throw solid objects at >them! For year, rock and roll (if you can call Skid Row that) stars >have had thrown at them while performing. It comes w/the territory. While we're on the topic of ethics: What about the paid professional athelete who abuses drugs, and is allowed to return to that sport, and not serve any jail time. I thought using drugs was illegal. Why aren't these people being prosecuted? And, since you've brought up the point: Have you ever been performing in front of a large, live crowd? One that is there to (supposedly) listen to your performance because they enjoy what you do? Tell us how you would react when someone picks a fight with you. Tell us what you would do (more extreme) if someone drew a gun on you. I'd be willing to bet Saturday night's IU-PU point spread that you would defend yourself. That is what Sebastian did. He defended himself. Unfortunately, an innocent bystander got hurt in the process. PU beat the spread on Saturday ..... - Jeff -- Jeff Boerio : Purdue University Dept. of Computer Science ajk@mace.cc.purdue.edu : Purdue University Computing Center Volunteer boerio@orchestra.ecn.purdue.edu : Purdue University ECN Student Programmer
sl201009@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Rob Francis) (01/17/90)
In article <3857@mace.cc.purdue.edu> ajk@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Jeff Boerio) writes: >In article <8571@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> sueb@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (suzanne.bollinger) writes: > >>I am glad that most of the fans are on Sebastians side and understand his >>actions. I just hope he is cleared of all charges. (I know I'm going to >>get a lot of slack for that comment). >> ......... >other band. If you don't like it, fine .... but give them a little respect >for doing something that they want to do. > >Sure ... he was wrong for throwing the bottle back. It's very unfortunate >that the girl was in the middle of it. While I don't know what the exact >charges are against Sebastian, I think he'll get away with a very light >sentence, if anything. Well, I'll give them a little respect for doing something they want to do-- as long as it doesn't include bodily harm to others..... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Rob Francis But I came here for = = francisr@rose.ucs.indiana.edu an *argument*... = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==
cbayley@eve.wright.edu (Charles Bayley) (01/17/90)
In article <8571@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> sueb@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (suzanne.bollinger,al,) writes: >I am glad that most of the fans are on Sebastians side and understand his >actions. I just hope he is cleared of all charges. (I know I'm going to >get a lot of slack for that comment). > > SuzAnne You better believe it! I realize that Sebastian was PO'ed at the time, but in no way should he be cleared of all of the charges. He made a mistake and should pay for it (both criminally and civilly), just like anyone else. ...Charles... (cbayley@eve.Wright.Edu)
js8q+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Joseph Swick, Jr.) (01/17/90)
Sebastian is apparently quite the trouble maker. Skid Row
and Bon Jovi played my hometown of Johnstown, Pennsylvania
this summer in the first major rock show at the Point Stadium.
Sebastian got busted for public drunkenness and maybe more,
I'm not sure.
Apparently he got off somehow. I wish I could give more details
but I was away for the summer. Just wanted to relate the incident
to those interested. Additional info welcome.
---J. J.
js8q@andrew.cmu.edu
PS - I'm not trying to rip on Skid Row. In fact, I rather like the album
and I hear they're good live.canuhed@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dylan Salisbury) (01/17/90)
> [...] Tell us what you would do (more extreme) if someone drew a gun on you. > >I'd be willing to bet Saturday night's IU-PU point spread that you would >defend yourself. That is what Sebastian did. He defended himself. IMHO, throwing a bottle at a crowd and then jumping into it is NOT a very good way to defend yourself, and Sebastian wasn't trying to. He was pissed and wanted to get a piece of the asshole who through the bottle.
ged@lopez.UUCP (Ged) (01/17/90)
kmh@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (kathleen.m.huttenhoff) writes: >The girl hit with the bottle was not the only innocent victim. Every other >person at the concert who had to watch the senseless violence and retribution >was also a victim in my opinion. But everyone else was cheering... Arrest them all for cheering on violence hahaha. -- ********************************* -=< Ged >=- ********************************* | Waiting for the winds of \___________/ The Great White North! | | change to sweep the clouds away | mailrus!sharkey!clmqt!lopez!ged | **************************************/|\**************************************
kmh@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (kathleen.m.huttenhoff) (01/18/90)
A major defense of Bach's actions seems to be that he was 'Defending' himself. To defend himself he could have: 1.) Had the bouncers remove the person responsible. 2.) Moved further back from the crowd (or put up a fence like Ministry does) 3.) Spoken out against the action, discouraging it instead of encouraging it. etc. Instead, he threw a bottle into the crowd. This was not self-defense, it was revenge. Those who play in bands or know others who do, also know that they may face some danger from the crowd. After polling my friends who play in or manage bands, so far every single one has disagreed with Bach's actions.
jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jawaid Bazyar) (01/18/90)
In article <3858@mace.cc.purdue.edu> you write: >In article <33191@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> sl201009@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Rob Francis) writes: > >I'd be willing to bet Saturday night's IU-PU point spread that you would >defend yourself. That is what Sebastian did. He defended himself. >Unfortunately, an innocent bystander got hurt in the process. PU beat the >spread on Saturday ..... > > - Jeff >-- >Jeff Boerio : Purdue University Dept. of Computer Science >ajk@mace.cc.purdue.edu : Purdue University Computing Center Volunteer >boerio@orchestra.ecn.purdue.edu : Purdue University ECN Student Programmer Whoa. Double-take here. Since when is hot-headed retribution "defense"? Had someone come on stage with a bottle, or had a number of bottles been thrown by the same immature person, S.B. would have had the right to "defend" himself however he saw fit. However- this is a plain case of revenge. He could have had security haul the ass off- that would be defense. But instead he hurt a bystander. Ol' S.B. gets a big "minus" in my book. -- Jawaid Bazyar | This message was posted to thousands of machines Junior/Computer Engineering | throughout the entire civilized world. It cost jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | the net hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars.
sl201009@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Rob Francis) (01/18/90)
In article <12730@cbnewsd.ATT.COM> kmh@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (kathleen.m.huttenhoff,ih,) writes: >A major defense of Bach's actions seems to be that he was 'Defending' himself. >To defend himself he could have: >1.) Had the bouncers remove the person responsible. >2.) Moved further back from the crowd (or put up a fence like Ministry does) >3.) Spoken out against the action, discouraging it instead of encouraging it. >etc. > >Instead, he threw a bottle into the crowd. This was not self-defense, it >was revenge. > >Those who play in bands or know others who do, also know that they may face >some danger from the crowd. After polling my friends who play in or manage >bands, so far every single one has disagreed with Bach's actions. When I fisrt started posting my complaint about S.B., it seemed like the only replies posted were from supporters of S.B.. It's nice to see that other people won't stand for S.B.'s atitude or people w/the same atitude either. I was starting to worry.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Rob Francis But I came here for = = francisr@rose.ucs.indiana.edu an *argument*... = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==